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On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk to Dr. Guadalupe Correa-Cabrera, a professor of political science and policy at George Mason University and an expert on immigration and security at the U.S.-Mexico border. They discuss how technology contractors benefit from working with the government to carry out its immigration policies — while others suffer from the ever-broadening surveillance state. And they examine the concept of a “virtual border wall,” and what that might look like in reality.The hosts are then joined by Brian Brackeen, CEO of a face recognition company called Kairos. Kairos provides face recognition technology to businesses, but Brackeen warns that putting that same kind of software and data in the hands of law enforcement is a very bad idea. Oremus and Glaser ask him why that is, and what he sees as the more appropriate uses for a controversial cutting-edge technology.Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/11/2018 • 32 minutes 12 seconds

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10/02/2019 • 41 minutes 16 seconds

Climate change is causing unprecedented severe weather. Is the agency prepared for it to get worse?Guest: Craig Fugate and Ashley NerbovigHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/08/2022 • 28 minutes 48 seconds

Some call him revolutionary. Others call him a hack. Is his success warranted?Guest: Ashlee VanceHost: Lizzie O'LearyThanksAvast.com!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/05/2022 • 28 minutes 12 seconds

Is El Salvador heading for default after going all in on crypto?Guest: Anna-Cat BrigidaHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/27/2022 • 23 minutes 30 seconds

Come to think of it, a giant balloon seems like a pretty conspicuous way to spy on another country. So what was that Chinese spy balloon doing above the U.S.—and what have American planes been shooting down since?Guest: Shane Harris, Washington Post reporter covering intelligence and national security.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/17/2023 • 38 minutes 37 seconds

Over the past decade, the world of influencers has grown from a fringe marketing movement to a multibillion-dollar industry. Now, tactics and strategies originally developed by influencers can be found across industries, from health care to politics to higher ed.What’s behind this meteoric rise? And why do we misunderstand a movement thatTaylor Lorenzcalls “a fundamental shift in society”?Guest:Taylor Lorenz, internet culture reporter for the New York TimesLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/13/2019 • 19 minutes 2 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss the latest data spill in Silicon Valley: It’s Google this time. And it’s time to talk gadgets again. This week Facebook announced its second foray into the hardware space with the Portal and Portal Plus—essentially a smart display for making video calls, equipped with an AI camera and Amazon Alexa. Meanwhile, Google launched a new smart display called the Google Home Hub, a new tablet that shares a name with the hosts’ employer, and a new phone that’s interesting for both its camera and the AI built in.The hosts are also joined by tech attorney and privacy expert Tiffany C. Li. She teaches a course at Yale about the changing rights to privacy throughout history. They talk to her about what privacy rights we really have, whose interests are served by U.S. privacy law, and the difference between government and corporate surveillance.19:16 - Interview with Tiffany Li34:45 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:IPCC ReportBloomberg: The Big Hack: How China Used a Tiny Chip to Infiltrate U.S. CompaniesPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/10/2018 • 44 minutes 54 seconds

We have a special bonus If Then! On Wednesday afternoon Apple held its big annual event full of new and expensive gadgets. We wanted to help you make sense of what happened, and what it means. Host Will Oremus is joined by journalist and Slate contributor Christina Bonnington, who covers emerging technology and consumer technology. They talk through new phones, new watches, and all the things Apple is taking away from their original products. Stories discussed on the show: Slate: Why Apple’s Not Giving Us Another Small iPhone Anytime SoonSlate: Everything We Know About The Three New iPhonesSlate: Apple’s Devices Are Pulling Us Into Our Own Personal CloudsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/13/2018 • 24 minutes 16 seconds

This week, Boeing’s CEO Dennis Muilenburg appeared in front of Congress. He was there to answer questions about what his company knew, and when, before two 737 Max airplanes crashed and claimed the lives of 346 people.But beyond the planes’ technological failures is another key issue: the way pilots react when automated systems go wrong.Guest: Jon Ostrower, Editor in Chief of The Air CurrentLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/01/2019 • 17 minutes 38 seconds

Thenmozhi Soundararajan was scheduled to give a talk at Google for Dalit History Month. It led to vicious attacks against her from some of its employees.Guest: Thenmozhi SoundararajanHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/17/2022 • 25 minutes 15 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined by co-host Meredith Broussard, a data journalism professor at NYU and author of Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World.First they talk about the history of Silicon Valley’s decades-long quest to replace teachers with computers. Then the hosts have a conversation with Nellie Bowles, tech reporter for the New York Times, about a Kansas town that’s struggling with the implementation of Summit Learning, a personalized web-based education program funded by Mark Zuckerberg and his wife, Dr. Priscilla Chan.Also joining the show is Tom Henning, a parent in Kansas who pulled his son out of his local public school after Summit Learning was adopted. Henning discusses how he and other parents organized to try to bring human-centered learning back to their schools, citing the physical and emotional problems their kids came home with after being stuck in front of a computer all day.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/01/2019 • 35 minutes 20 seconds

The second largest investor in Twitter, after Elon Musk, is the Saudis, which raises questions about what kinds of “free speech” Musk is really committed to. But it also raises questions around national security in the U.S.Guest: Chris Murphy, U.S. Senator from ConnecticutHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/11/2022 • 22 minutes 5 seconds

The conflict between Ukraine and Russia is uncovering new wartime applications for facial recognition technology.Guest: Aric Toler, director of research and training at BellingcatHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/24/2022 • 22 minutes 20 seconds

If Then: a podcast about technology, society, and power. Each week, Slate‘s April Glaser and Will Oremus take you on a lively tour of the tech news that actually matters, from fake news in your Facebook feed to the algorithms that want your job to the Uber drivers who want a job with benefits. With news-making interviews of key tech-industry figures, fascinating academics, and top tech journalists, they explore not only how the technology that’s shaping our world works, but the ideas, ideologies, incentives, and biases that underlie it. And guess what: They don’t always agree.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/27/2017 • 8 minutes 30 seconds

Dating back to the Arab Spring, Twitter’s potential for real-time organizing has been a selling point. But trying to find information on China’s “Zero COVID” protests reveals just how vulnerable the now-understaffed platform is to manipulation.Guest: Joseph Menn, cybersecurity reporter for the Washington Post.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.ThanksAvast.com! Learn more about Avast One atAvast.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/02/2022 • 32 minutes 14 seconds

The final episode of Season 1 features Ted Ross, Chief Information Officer for the City of Los Angeles. His role became more vital than ever during the pandemic, with L.A.’s 4 million residents and 50,000 employees relying on the city’s complex technological operation for support. Ted helped his city navigate the challenge with tech solutions built on principles designed to serve citizens and inspire employees: focus on people, improve lives, and lean into promising innovations.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/22/2021 • 30 minutes 10 seconds

Back in April 2020, AstraZeneca was hailed as a frontrunner in the race to get an effective vaccine to market. A year later, after a series of trial pauses, communication blunders, and PR problems, the vaccine is on the cusp of FDA approval.By all accounts, the company succeeded in making a safe, effective vaccine. So why has there been so much confusion about its rollout?Guest:Peter Aldhous, science reporter at Buzzfeed NewsHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/26/2021 • 26 minutes 49 seconds

It was reported this week that the U.S. Department of Energy now believes, “with low confidence,” that the COVID-19 virus came from a lab. But is there enough evidence for the “lab leak theory” to convince those who believe the virus emerged from animals in a wet market?Guest: Angela Rasmussen, virologist at the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization at the University of Saskatchewan in Canada.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/03/2023 • 35 minutes 42 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined by co-host Kim-Mai Cutler, a partner at Initialized Capital, an early-stage venture firm. She’s also a former full-time journalist at TechCrunch.First, April and Kim-Mai discuss the lack of affordable housing in California and the political battles that are hindering progress.Then they talk about the upcoming wildfire season with Faith Kearns from the University of California Division of Agriculture and Natural Resources and Lizzie Johnson from the San Francisco Chronicle.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/22/2019 • 47 minutes 26 seconds

Slate Plus members get ad-free podcasts and bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence.Sign up nowto listen and support our work.The United States failed to roll out widespread testing in the early days of the pandemic. Now it faces critical shortages of supplies as it scrambles to track the disease around the country.Until testing is available at scale, Americans won’t be able to return to their normal lives. So: what will it take to solve the country’s testing shortage?Guest: Robert P. Baird, contributor to the New YorkerLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/27/2020 • 26 minutes 50 seconds

The 2016 general election changed the way we think about information online and its power to sway results. Four years later, Americans will vote amid a surge of misinformation, collected and distorted to fit political narratives.What can people and platforms do to protect the truth in this most consequential election?Guests:Renee DiResta, Research manager at the Stanford Internet ObservatoryJustin Hendrix, founder of Tech Policy PressLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/30/2020 • 25 minutes 41 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus is joined by guest co-host Maya Kosoff from Vanity Fair. They discuss the electric scooters that are suddenly wreaking havoc on city streets—and why Silicon Valley venture capitalists are swooning over them. They also discuss the layoffs at Tesla, and what they might mean for the electric-car company and its workers.Later, Will is joined by journalist Sarah Kessler of Quartz. Her new book is called “Gigged: The End of the Job and the Future of Work,” and it looks at the so-called gig economy from the human side. She talked to people around the country who are trying to make ends meet on services like Uber, Amazon Turk, and Taskrabbit.On Tabs this week, the hosts discuss Palmer Luckey’s proposed surveillance border wall, and why you probably shouldn’t let foreign governments help you cool down your computer.Don’t Close My TabsSlate: Why the Gift Bags at the North Korea Summit Could Pose a Cybersecurity ThreatWired: Inside Palmer Lucky’s Bid to Build a Border WallPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/13/2018 • 38 minutes 9 seconds

Is Musk's bid to take Twitter private a genuine attempt to mold the social network in his image? Or is he just going to have some fun, make some money, and walk away?Guest: Felix Salmon, host of Slate Money and chief financial correspondent for AxiosHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/15/2022 • 20 minutes 49 seconds

As governments around the world try to predict the toll and duration of the coronavirus, they’re turning increasingly to a handful of forecasting models for answers. But many of the leading models differ drastically in their approach and methods. What do we need to know about these forecasts? And what are their limitations?Guest: Jordan Ellenberg, mathematics professor at the University of Wisconsin-Madison.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/10/2020 • 20 minutes 9 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined once again by co-host Siva Vaidhyanathan, director of the Center for Media and Citizenship at the University of Virginia. They start by talking about the Sri Lankan government’s shutdown of Facebook and WhatsApp after the Easter attacks on churches and hotels.Then they talk to Lorenzo Franceschi-Bicchierai, a staff writer for Motherboard and producer for CYBER, a Motherboard podcast about hacking. In their conversation Franceschi-Bicchierai talks about the time he corresponded directly with hackers who infiltrated the servers of the Democratic National Committee. Those hackers initially tried to pass themselves off as a lone Romanian hacker named Guccifer 2.0.Then slate writer Rachelle Hampton joins the show to talk about her cover story, The Black Feminists Who Saw the Alt-Right Threat Coming.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/24/2019 • 34 minutes 36 seconds

From Slate Studios & ServiceNow, this episode of Let’s Workflow It features Deryck Mitchelson – one of the leaders taking on the greatest workflow challenge of our time – the effort to vaccinate millions of citizens from COVID-19. As Director of Information Security for NHS National Services Scotland, Deryck manages his nation’s contact tracing and vaccination systems, and shares his unique perspective on the systems and technology necessary to turn vaccines into vaccinations.Listen and subscribe to Let’s Workflow It wherever you get your podcasts.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/06/2021 • 30 minutes 37 seconds

The Colorado River Basin is experiencing its 22nd year of drought. Its reservoirs are at their lowest-ever levels. The water stored in the system is at just 40 percent of its capacity. How did the situation on the Colorado become so dire? And what does the shortage mean for the 40 million people who rely on its waters?Guest: Abrahm Lustgarten, senior investigative reporter at ProPublicaHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/10/2021 • 22 minutes 26 seconds

On Monday, Jack Dorsey stepped down as CEO of Twitter. It’s not the first time he’s left the job.Is this really the end for the man who guided Twitter through the Trump era? And how will the platform change without him at the helm?Guest: Nick Bilton, special correspondent at Vanity FairHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/03/2021 • 21 minutes 24 seconds

Ten years ago, IBM made a gamble. Through a monumental advertising and PR campaign, it promised that its AI technology–Watson–would transform the health care industry as we know it. A decade and billions of dollars later, Watson Health is being sold for parts.What went wrong with IBM’s “moonshot?” And what does Watson’s failure tell us about the promise of AI for health care?Guest: Casey Ross, national technology correspondent for STATHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/28/2022 • 25 minutes 19 seconds

The Serum Institute of India was supposed to supply vaccines not just to India, but to the entire Global South. Now, with cases surging, there aren’t nearly enough vaccines for India’s population, not to mention the many countries that are relying on it. How did such a successful institution come up so short? And what are the costs of that failure?Guest: Samanth Subramanian, senior reporter at QuartzHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/14/2021 • 24 minutes 22 seconds

In this episode Aaron Mak learns about all the ways China is using cyber warfare to disrupt the efforts of protesters in Hong Kong. His guest is Nick Frisch, a fellow at Yale’s Information Society Project and a scholar of media and technology in the Chinese speaking world. Frisch was recently in Hong Kong as a fellow at the Journalism and Media Studies Center at Hong Kong University.After the interview, Shannon Palus joins the show for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/07/2019 • 32 minutes 40 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus introduce some of their favorite interviews from 2018. We have highlights from our conversations with journalist Taylor Lorenz about teen YouTube stars, former head of Facebook’s Newsfeed Adam Mosseri about real-world violence in places like Myanmar, the founder of Data for Black Lives Yeshimabeit Milner on how tech companies might share their data for social justice efforts, author Naomi Klein on cryptocurrency in Puerto Rico following the deadly Hurricane Maria, Senator Mark Warner on how the government might actually regulate the big tech companies, and Paige Panter, a volunteer with the Tech Workers Coalition on how a broad coalition of tech workers are fighting for change.1:21 - Interview with Taylor Lorenz7:57 - Interview with Yeshimabeit Milner15:49 - Interview with Adam Mosseri24:09 - Interview with Naomi Klein30:27 - Interview with Senator Mark Warner38:30 - Interview with Paige PanterPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/02/2019 • 48 minutes 4 seconds

Will Congress let Mark Zuckerberg get away with under-sharing? On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus break down the Facebook chief’s trip to Washington to testify before Congress on the Cambridge Analytica scandal. They review the most amusing and revealing moments from his 10-hour testimony.The hosts also analyze Zuckerberg’s evasion strategy and discuss whether members of Congress were buying it. And they look ahead to what regulation might be brewing that could affect Facebook and other Internet companies. Finally, Don’t Close My Tabs: their picks for the best stories and Twitter threads on the Web this week.Don't Close My TabsBloomberg: Tesla Workers Claim Racial Bias and Abuse at Electric Car FactoryTwitter: @Max_FisherPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/12/2018 • 32 minutes 6 seconds

In the early days of internet search engines, Google set itself apart by providing a simple service. A list of links, inviting you to explore the websites that best matched your query. It was a portal to the rest of the internet. But over the last two decades, that mission has changed.Does Google search still take you to the best result for your query? Or does it point users back to its own suite of products?Guest:Adrianne Jeffries, investigative journalist at The Markup.HostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/14/2020 • 20 minutes 52 seconds

Legendary hacker Peiter "Mudge" Zatko’s reputation in the cybersecurity world is unmatched. His allegations against Twitter’s security are all the more damning because of it.Guest: Joseph MennHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/26/2022 • 35 minutes 23 seconds

With 9.1% ownership of Twitter—and a board seat—Elon Musk is the new master of Twitter's future. Why did the wealthiest man in the world just take over the world's most influential platform?Guest: Ranjan Roy, writer of the Margins newsletterHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/08/2022 • 23 minutes 29 seconds

Crypto mining is booming in Texas. Will the power grid be able to handle it?Guest: Russell GoldHost: Sonari GlintonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/12/2022 • 27 minutes 58 seconds

What can current surveillance infrastructure tell us about online privacy after the fall of Roe?Guest: Lily Hay NewmanHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/29/2022 • 20 minutes 42 seconds

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10/09/2019 • 43 minutes 45 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined by guest host Siva Vaidhyanathan, director of the Center for Media and Citizenship at the University of Virginia and author of several books about social media and the internet, including a recent one on Facebook, “Antisocial Media: How Facebook Disconnects Us and Undermines Democracy.”First they talk about the ongoing elections in India and how fake news and propaganda on Facebook and WhatsApp is wreaking havoc on an electoral process that’s otherwise celebrated for working quite well in the world’s largest democracy. Then they discuss Uber’s recent IPO filing and the litany of ways the company’s reliance on a contractor workforce and business in only a handful of major cities could destabilize the rideshare company’s hopes of ever being profitable.After that, author and WIRED writer Andy Greenberg joins the show to talk about the recent indictment against WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, threats the case poses to press freedom, and how Assange’s ideology has been much more fluid than his alleged co-conspirator, Chelsea Manning. Greenberg is the author of This Machine Kills Secrets: Julian Assange, the Cypherpunks, and Their Fight to Empower Whistleblowers.This episode of IF Then is brought to you by LinkedIn. Post a job today at LinkedIn.com/IFTHEN and get fifty dollars off your first job post.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/17/2019 • 42 minutes 1 second

Host Shannon Palus talks to Roxanne Leitao, a UK-based designer researching ways to make the smart home gear safer for victims of domestic abuse. They’ll discuss the ways that smart thermostats can be used to gaslight victims, the security measures that can help everyone in a home have agency, and the reason why smart home tech that’s hard to understand is all the more dangerous. They also touch on her other research in designing gig economy platforms that reduce the potential for bias against workers.Podcast production by Justin D. Wright.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/25/2019 • 38 minutes 30 seconds

The U.S. Department of Justice announced this week that it is suing Google over its ad technology. What do they contend Google has been doing? And does this mean Alphabet is headed for a Bell Telecom-style bust-up?Guest: Leah Nylen, reporter covering antitrust for Bloomberg NewsHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/27/2023 • 30 minutes 45 seconds

The idea of composting a human body may seem unsettling—or even gross—and it runs counter to the normal American funeral rites of embalming and internment, which preserve the body. But advocates say it’s a greener and more peaceful way to return our bodies to the Earth.Guest: Eleanor Cummins, science journalistHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.ThanksAvast.com! Learn more about Avast One atAvast.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/16/2022 • 32 minutes 55 seconds

Banks, healthcare providers, and retailers around the world still rely on COBOL, a programming language originally developed in the 1960s. By all accounts the code is powerful, practical, and very rarely problematic. But the small group of people who still know the language are aging out of the workforce.What happens when there are no more COBOL coders left?Guest: Clive Thompson, journalist and author of"Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the World."Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/06/2022 • 21 minutes 47 seconds

The question of Donald Trump’s banned account--to keep it blocked, or reinstate it--is one of the toughest that Facebook has ever faced. But the social network had a plan: punt the decision to its newly minted Oversight Board, a semi-independent “Supreme Court”tasked with making hard decisions about what content stays up, and what comes down.Did that plan just backfire?Guest: Kate Klonick, professor at St. John’s University School of LawHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/07/2021 • 23 minutes 11 seconds

Can Starlink ever fulfill its promise of connecting the world, especially places left behind by traditional internet?Or will itbe just another toy for the rich?Guest: Meaghan Tobin, reporter at Rest of WorldHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/01/2022 • 19 minutes 6 seconds

Ever since police used a DNA platform called GEDmatch to crack the Golden State Killer case in 2018, police departments around the country have rushed to use genetic genealogy to crack their own cold cases. The result? Hundreds of violent cases solved.So--why are some states passing new laws to limit this new technology?Guest: Nila Bala, senior staff attorney at the Policing Project at NYU Law.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/18/2021 • 25 minutes 53 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about a literal moonshot. SpaceX CEO Elon Musk has announced the first private customer who is signed up for a trip around earth’s moon, possibly as early as 2023—and he’ll be bringing some surprising passengers. Meanwhile,the Justice Department is investigating Musk’s other company, Tesla, over an ill-advised tweet. Next, Will and April discuss a new Twitter feature that brings back the classic, reverse-chronological timeline. The hosts are then joined by Margaret Sullivan, the media columnist for the Washington Post and former public editor of the New York Times. They’ll talk to her about the trend of tech barons buying media companies. That’s what Salesforce founder and CEO Marc Benioff did this past weekend with his $190 million purchase of Time Magazine. Sullivan knows abit about tech titans buying media companies--her employer, the Washington Post, was bought by Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos in 2013, and she worked for Warren Buffett at the Buffalo News. We’ll talk to her about what this sale might mean for the future of Time, and the growing entanglements between big tech and journalism.13:34 - Interview with Margaret Sullivan33:33 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: Slate: Why Did the New York Review of Books Publish that Jian Ghomeshi Essay?Engagdet: Why PayPal’s Crackdown on ASMR Creators Should Worry You Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/19/2018 • 46 minutes 42 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss news that PG&E, California’s main power provider, plans to file for bankruptcy due to the billions in liability it faces stemming from the deadly wildfires last year. Allegations have been made that PG&E’s power lines and equipment aided in the fires and the company did not adequately address the hazards beforehand. As the home to some of the world most powerful tech companies, California’s economy last year surpassed the UK, but it’s clear that this wealth has not trickled down to help Californian suffering the effects of prolonged drought and longer fire seasons hitting more populated areas. They’ll also talk about a letter sent this week to Microsoft, Amazon and Google from more than 85 civil rights and racial justice groups, including the ACLU. The letter demands that these companies stop building face recognition technology that could be used by the government. We’ve seen employees of these companies voice their concern, but what might we expect from outside pressure?The hosts touch on one of the least discussed themes from last week’s CES conference in Las Vegas: privacy.Then they welcome back Taylor Lorenz, journalist for the Atlantic. Glaser and Oremus talk to her about what social media might look like in 2019. Forget Facebook for a second. Forget Twitter, Snapchat, even YouTube, which was the focus of our conversation with Lorenz last year. They talk to her about what the kids are up to now, like making dance videos on Tik Tok, making Instagram eggs go viral, and making friends in the comments sections of social apps. 21:14 - Interview with Taylor Lorenz.39:30 - Don’t Close My TabsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/16/2019 • 50 minutes 25 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about Facebook’s big privacy changes and its foray into online dating, as Glaser reports from the company’s annual developer conference in San Jose. Oremus takes a listener’s question about the Golden State Killer case and the questions it raises about the privacy of our DNA. Oremus is joined by Eric Lundgren, a pioneer in e-waste recycling who is awaiting a 15-month prison sentence for distributing CDs that allow people to reinstall Microsoft Windows on used Dell computers. Lundgren insists he’s not a criminal, and that the real crime is how tech companies drive sales of new products by discouraging people from fixing up their old ones. And on this week’s “Don’t Close My Tabs,” Slate tech reporter Heather Schwedel joins Oremus as they share stories about “Moviepass movies” and Google’s increasingly divided internal culture.Timestamps:1:47 News: Golden State Killer and DNA Tech5:55 News: April dispatches from F8, Facebook’s Annual Developer Conference16:09 Interview: Eric Lundgren, the e-waste recycler on why he’s going to prison35:04 Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My TabsThe Cut: The Distinct Pleasure of the “MoviePass Movie”The Wall Street Journal: Google Vs. Google: How Nonstop Political Arguments Rule It’s WorkplacePodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/02/2018 • 47 minutes 3 seconds

Tens of thousands of people leave American cities every year. Normally, they’re replaced by new arrivals seeking jobs, education, and opportunity. But in a world transformed by the coronavirus, what happens if nobody arrives to replace them?Guests:Emily Badger, reporter at the New York TimesNatalie Moore, reporter at WBEZAmanda Kolson Hurley, editor at Bloomberg BusinessweekHost: Henry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/10/2020 • 21 minutes 21 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus are at CES, the huge trade show put on by the Consumer Technology Association in Las Vegas. They talk about all the weird, wonderful, and unnecessary gadgets and tech they seen so far the convention, like the laundry folding robots that might not be very good at folding laundry, bizarre tech for your pets, drones and self driving cars, smart mirrors, and even a smart couch. The hosts will talk about the cybersecurity concerns surrounding Intel and how they’ve handled the situation so far, and the big battle between Amazon’s Alexa and Google’s new AI assistants.You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/10/2018 • 34 minutes 16 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about trouble at Tesla: the company has suspended production of the Model 3, the car that will make or break its business. The hosts also dig into the news about the real estate site Zillow, which is expanding its business in a surprising new way--and why its stock is tumbling.The hosts are also joined by Yeshimabeit Milner - founder and executive director of Data for Black Lives. You might’ve seen her piece earlier this month on Medium entitled “An Open Letter to Facebook from the Data for Black Lives Movement: Give Black researchers, data scientists and Black communities access to our data.” They talk to her about what questions she has for Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg following his two congressional hearings last week in the wake of the Cambridge Analytica data spill and everything else the company has been grappling with over the past couple years.Don’t Close My TabsSF Chronicle: SF’s Scooter Conflict: City Attorney Orders Cease-and-Desist Order to CompaniesThe Wall Street Journal: You Think Discovering a Computer Virus is Hard? Try Naming One.Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/18/2018 • 44 minutes 37 seconds

America used to be at the vanguard of railroad technology. What went wrong? And can the new infrastructure bill fix our broken system?Guests: Alon Levy and Eric Goldwyn of the Marron Institute at NYUHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/06/2021 • 20 minutes 12 seconds

This episode originally aired in July 2021Last week, the U.S. government released a new report that attempts to categorize 144 verified sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, or U.A.P. They could only definitively explain one of them.The new report signals a shift in the way we think about U.A.P. As technology has advanced and evidence of these encounters have increased, the question has become more urgent: what exactly is happening in our skies?Guest: Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington PostLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/31/2021 • 26 minutes 29 seconds

A small parish in Louisiana tried to get affordable, fast internet. An incumbent ISP stopped them.Guest: Issie Lapowsky, Wanda ManningHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/16/2022 • 27 minutes 46 seconds

In March, when schools across the country shut down, few people could have guessed that students wouldn’t return until the fall. Schools weren’t equipped to deploy remote-learning curricula, technology was in short supply, and most parents weren’t free to guide their children through lessons during the day.Three months later, little has changed. And all that time out of the classroom has taken a toll on students. Can they recover in time for the fall?Guest: Dana Goldstein, national correspondent at the New York TimesHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/19/2020 • 23 minutes 12 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss California’s landmark decision to eliminate cash bail for defendants in criminal cases--and the controversial algorithmic “risk assessment” system that will partially replace it. They also hash out a fresh debate over who gets to fact-check the news that appears in your Facebook feed following an outcry in media circles on Tuesday, after Facebook flagged a story in the liberal outlet ThinkProgress as “false”--all because the conservative Weekly Standard had taken issue with its headline.The hosts are then joined by Professor Safiya Umoja Noble, author of Algorithms of Oppression: How Search Engines Reinforce Racism. Lately, media coverage - and congressional hearings - have focused on potential anti-conservative bias among the big tech companies, but professor’s Noble’s work suggests we may actually have a much different problem.17:50 - Interview with Safiya Umoja Noble36:36 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:Anatomy of an AI System by Kate Crawford and Vladan JolerThe New Yorker: Can Mark Zuckerberg Fix Facebook Before it Breaks Democracy?Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/12/2018 • 46 minutes 46 seconds

Over the holidays, thousands of passengers were left stranded or delayed when Southwest Airline’s outdated re-booking software broke down. Who can be held accountable, and why don’t airlines invest more in their own infrastructure?Guest: Heather Tal Murphy, business and technology reporter for Slate.Host: Mary C. CurtisIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/06/2023 • 31 minutes 47 seconds

Over two years into the pandemic, much of the world remains either unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, or lacking access to mRNA vaccines entirely. How did the leading effort to vaccinate the world go so wrong?Guest: Achal Prabhala, coordinator of the AccessIBSA project and a fellow of the Shuttleworth Foundation, in Bangalore.Host: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/20/2022 • 29 minutes 15 seconds

The Biden administration’s Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are both staffed with accomplished progressives who are proving more aggressive than their predecessors in either the Trump or Obama eras. But can Big Tech be tamed?Guest: Leah Nylen, reporter for Bloomberg NewsHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/04/2022 • 40 minutes 1 second

Using just what you’ve posted to social media, generative A.I. can create a “puppet version” of your voice—one that’s close enough to scam your family into paying thousands in, say, bail money. And imitating public officials to create “deep fakes” who say whatever they’re told is even easier.Guest: Pranshu Verma, tech reporter for the Washington Post.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/19/2023 • 28 minutes 2 seconds

Slate Plus members get ad-free podcasts and bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence.Sign up nowto listen and support our work.For pregnant women in the U.S., there are plenty of reasons to mistrust the medical establishment. Mortality rates are high compared to other western countries, and one-third of women in the U.S. give birth by C-section. It’s no wonder that many women turn to the internet for alternatives.This week, the story of one woman who was drawn into a network of private Facebook groups dedicated to the idea of ‘freebirth,’ or unassisted birth. And what happens when the misinformation shared in these private groups has real-life consequences.Guest: Brandy Zadrozny, reporter for NBC News. You can read her reporting on ‘freebirth’ here.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/06/2020 • 23 minutes 31 seconds

For seven years, Ukraine has served as a virtual testing ground for a generation of cyber weaponry capable of taking down power grids, networks, and supply chains. With an invasion of Ukraine underway, will these weapons come into play?Guest: Andy Greenberg, senior writer at WIRED and the author of the bookSandworm: A New Era of Cyberwar and the Hunt for the Kremlin's Most Dangerous HackersHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/25/2022 • 25 minutes 27 seconds

As Medicare Advantage plans have increased their reliance on software to determine what their customers require—and, therefore, receive—elderly patients are being denied coverage for care they need. What happens when an algorithm — not a doctor — decides how much care you need and it’s not enough?Guest: Casey Ross, national technology correspondent at STATHost: Emily PeckIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/31/2023 • 32 minutes 8 seconds

In just a few short years, the Chinese fast fashion company Shein upended the way countless young women shop online. It’s approach could soon shape the way everyone else shops, too.Guest: Louise Matsakis, freelance technology reporterHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/13/2022 • 19 minutes 56 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about GDPR, Europe’s sweeping new online privacy legislation that took effect last Friday. They explain why it triggered an avalanche of emails to your inbox, and what it means for the tech industry.The hosts are joined by John Carreyrou, a Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative reporter with the Wall Street Journal. His new book, Bad Blood, chronicles his investigation into Theranos, the now-disgraced blood-testing startup, which sold faulty machines that may have put patients’ lives in danger. Carreyrou fills in some fascinating details in this bizarre story, and reflects on what it tells us about Silicon Valley—and whether it could happen again. On ‘Tabs’ this week, Will digs into Tesla CEO Elon Musk’s attacks on the media and his idea to fix journalism by rating the credibility of individual journalists. April discusses the New York Times story about how Googlers’ quest to help stray cats has gone awry.Don’t Close My TabsThe Daily Beast: What It’s Like When Elon Musk’s Twitter Mob Comes After YouThe New York Times: As Google Feeds Cats, Owl Lovers Cry FoulPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/30/2018 • 41 minutes 35 seconds

On today’s show, April Glaser kicks things off by talking about Facebook’s long-overdue crackdown on anti-vaccination groups. The social media platform announced it will stop allowing advertisements that peddle misinformation about vaccines, and they’ll make anti-vaxxer groups and pages harder to find. What took them so long?Then Will Oremus talks to Olivia Solon, Editor of Tech Investigations at NBC, about facial recognition technology, and how some companies are collecting online photos without getting explicit permission from photographers or subjects.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/13/2019 • 28 minutes 38 seconds

Two weeks ago, as wildfires burned north of Los Angeles, the crime app Citizen offered $30,000 for information that would lead to the arrest of a suspected arsonist. They had the wrong guy.Why is Citizen offering bounties in the first place? And what does this bounty debacle say about the app’s aspirations for the future?Guest: Joseph Cox, reporter at MotherboardHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/04/2021 • 28 minutes 39 seconds

In this episode, April Glaser revisits an interview with Senator Mark Warner, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee who released a policy paper proposing possible regulations for U.S. social media and technology companies. In the interview, April and her former co-host Will Oremus talk to Senator Warner about what worries him most about the largely unregulated tech industry, which can’t seem to keep our data private and stop muddying our elections. They also ask him what he thinks congress can do to rein in these companies and why lawmakers haven’t been quick to act.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/05/2019 • 27 minutes 35 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk talk about a new study that suggests the internet might not have played the crucial role in Trump’s election victory that we tend to assume. And then: flying cars! And self-driving cars. The hosts are joined by Justin Erlich, the new VP of policy at Voyage, an self-driving vehicle company in Silicon Valley. Before that, he was head of policy for autonomous vehicles and urban aviation at Uber. The hosts discuss when these “cars” will hit the skies, what this means for investment in public transit, and how we’ll know they’ll be safe.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/01/2018 • 41 minutes 9 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about about an unexpected move by President Trump that could save the Chinese electronics maker ZTE. Also in the news is Project Maven, a Pentagon project to build AI for drones, which Google has been working on. This week it was reported that around a dozen Google employees quit over the company’s involvement in the project.The hosts discuss what one Apple blogger calls “one of the biggest design screwups in Apple history,” which has led to a class-action lawsuit. And they break down a major vulnerability in email encryption. Later, April and Will are joined by antitrust expert Gene Kimmelman. He’s the president and CEO of Public Knowledge, a nonprofit that focuses on tech policy research and advocacy. He formerly served as the Chief Counsel for the U.S. Department of Justice’s Antitrust Division under President Obama, during which time the NBC/Comcast merger was approved. They talk to him about AT&T’s antitrust trial with the DOJ as the company attempts to acquire Time Warner for $85 billion. If approved, that deal could reshape the future of how people connect to the internet, how they get their news and entertainment, and the future of mega-mergers proposed under Trump. And then there’s the recent revelation that AT&T hired Trump attorney Michael Cohen as a consultant last year. Don’t Close My TabsThe Guardian: Black Activist Jailed for His Facebook Posts Speaks Out About Secret FBI SurveillanceThe Verge: UK Newsstands Will Sell “Porn Passes” to verify Ages Under New LawsThe Telegraph: Newsagents and Corner Shops To Sell “Porn Pass” Access Codes To Allow Adults To Visit X-rated SitesPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/16/2018 • 52 minutes 58 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss reports that big tech companies are lobbying in favor of a national privacy law. They’ll talk about what their motivations are. (Hint: It’s not just altruism or civic duty.)The hosts are also joined by Eugen Rochko, the founder of Mastodon, a social network that’s becoming an increasingly popular alternative to Twitter. Rochko likes to say that you can join Mastodon if you want social networking without the Nazis and white supremacists. We talk to him about exactly how it works, and the daunting obstacles that every social networking startup faces. 15:00 - Interview with Eugen Rochko31:00 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: NBC News: Secret message board drives 'pizzagate'-style harassment campaign of small businessesThe Information: Waymo’s Big Ambitions Slowed By Tech TroublePodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/29/2018 • 40 minutes 34 seconds

In the U.S., the PCR test is the gold standard for COVID testing. Common knowledge would have it that the test is more accurate—and therefore more effective at containing the spread of the dease—than the rapid antigen test.What if that isn’t quite true?Guest: Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public HealthHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/24/2021 • 30 minutes 32 seconds

On today’s show, host Will Oremus looks at the fallout from Amazon’s announcement last week that they’re abandoning plans for a new headquarters in New York City. Some celebrated it as a victory; others mourned a missed opportunity; still others were mad that Amazon took its ball and went home, rather than negotiating a fairer deal.Then, April Glaser talks with Faine Greenwood from the Harvard Humanitarian Initiative, where she focuses on the role of drones and data intensive foreign aid projects. Her latest piece for Slate is headlined “Why Humanitarians Are Worried About Palantir’s New Partnership With the U.N.” 6:02 - Interview with Faine Greenwood23:15 - Don’t Close My TabsStories discussed on the show: Slate: New York’s Anti-Amazon Movement Is Now a Blueprint for Critics of Big TechSlate: Why Humanitarians Are Worried About Palantir’s New Partnership With the U.N.Don’t Close My Tabs:April: The New Yorker: Private Mossad for HireWill: Wired: AR Will Spark The Next Big Tech Platform-Call It MirrorworldPodcast production by Max JacobsYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/20/2019 • 32 minutes 15 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus is joined by guest co-host Maya Kosoff from Vanity Fair. They discuss the latest Congressional dog and pony show involving the big social media platforms. They’ll get into a controversy over whether Facebook should ban the prominent conspiracy theorist Alex Jones of InfoWars. Meanwhile, there’s a new owner of the title “wealthiest person in modern history.” They’ll talk about who that is and what it says about our economy. Later, Will is joined by Vijaya Gadde, a top-level executive at Twitter, in charge of their legal, public policy, and trust and safety teams. It’s her job to fight bots, trolls, and Russian agents, all while navigating the laws of more than 100 different countries in which the site operates. They’ll talk about how that uphill battle is going these days, and find out how Twitter is thinking about the balance between free speech and user safety at the highest level. Don’t Close My TabsMedium: Digital Exile: How I Got Banned for Life from AirBnBBuzzfeed: Elon Musk Has Always Been At War With The MediaPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then by clicking the arrow on the audio player below, or get the show via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/18/2018 • 48 minutes 34 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about how Microsoft is buying GitHub, Google is ending its Pentagon contract, and all the news from Apple’s developer conference on Monday—including the company’s effort to engineer a less addictive iPhone.April is joined by journalist, author, and activist Naomi Klein to discuss her new book The Battle for Paradise about how corporations and politicians are trying to cash in on the chance to rebuild Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria’s destructive sweep through the island last fall. Some of the people descending on the island: blockchain enthusiasts hoping to build a “Crypto Island” of their own.On ‘Tabs’ this week, the hosts discuss Silicon Valley’s relative silence on local elections and some listener mail about politicians who won’t stop texting us.Don’t Close My TabsNew York Times: Tech Was Supposed to Get Political. It’s Hanging Back in This Election.Listener mail!Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/06/2018 • 46 minutes 4 seconds

There are over 60 vaccines for the coronavirus currently in development. Four of them are already being tested in humans. As researchers move at breakneck speed to find a vaccine, they’re debating breaking (or at least bending) the rules that ensure the end product is safe.How do we balance speed with safety in the rush to develop a vaccine?Guest: Dr. Timothy Lahey, an infectious diseases doctor, ethicist, and vaccine researcher at the University of Vermont Medical Center.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/24/2020 • 23 minutes 58 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus dissect the latest fallout from the Facebook Cambridge Analytica scandal, wherein the profile data of over 50 million Facebook users was obtained and allegedly used by Trump’s online voter targeting firm. The hosts go deep into some of the subplots of that scandal, and what it means for Facebook, elections, and your privacy. They’ll also discuss the death of a pedestrian in Arizona at the hands of an Uber self-driving car, and what that means for the future of autonomous vehicles. Finally, a tech story that has gotten less attention that it probably deserves: a change in the law that governs whether websites are liable for what their users say. Will and April are joined by David Carroll, a professor at Parsons School of Design at the New School, who focuses on political campaigns and data targeting. He’s suing Cambridge Analytica in the UK to find out what the company did with his data, and where it went. The hosts talk with him about the mechanics of how campaigns use voters’ persona data to win elections.Don’t Close My Tabs:Twitter: Sally Kuchar on Housing in the Bay AreaThe Atlantic: My Cow Game Extracted Your Facebook DataPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/28/2018 • 51 minutes 3 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk with the executive director of Mozilla about how Firefox competes with Chrome and the biggest threats to the Open Web. They break down the fallout from the FCC’s 3-2 vote to kill net neutrality and what it means for mega-mergers like Fox and Disney. And they speculate on the motivations behind Uber’s misdeeds, why Apple’s AirPods are sold out, and why the Koch brothers are trying to kill municipal broadband.Stories discussed on the show:BuzzFeed: Uber Accused Of Espionage, Bribery, Hacking, And More In Bombshell Letter Slate: The Fight for the Open Internet Isn’t OverMozilla: Privacy Not Included: A Guide to Make Shopping for Connected Gifts Safer, Easier, and Way More Fun If Then’s “Don’t Close My Tabs” recommendations:MacRumors: Apple is Currently Sold Out of AirPods Until JanuaryWired: KOCH BROTHERS ARE CITIES' NEW OBSTACLE TO BUILDING BROADBANDPodcast production by Laura Flynn.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/20/2017 • 40 minutes 58 seconds

In this episode, Shannon Palus explores the growing telehealth industry, where doctors and patients connect via video chat or sometimes just a secure message system. To figure out the benefits and potential drawbacks of telehealth, Shannon talks to Roy Schoenberg, president and CEO of American Well, one of the first big players in the space.Then Shannon talks to Slate writer Aaron Mak in this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/03/2019 • 37 minutes 40 seconds

Over the last month, the domain company Epik and the streaming service Twitch have fallen prey to massive-scale hacks. The hackers revealed not just email addresses, but detailed personal information too. For Twitch, it was the entire source code for their site.But the attackers aren’t holding this data for ransom. In fact, they don’t seem to want much of anything. What’s motivating this new wave of activist hacks? And who suffers?Guest: Drew Harwell, tech reporter at the Washington PostHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/15/2021 • 25 minutes 23 seconds

A medicine meant to treat parasites is the latest unproven COVID treatment craze. With warnings from the FDA, and prescribers clamping down, some are going to extreme lengths to get their hands on the drug. What’s behind Ivermectin’s sudden rise?Guest: Brandy Zadrozny, senior reporter for NBC NewsHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/03/2021 • 25 minutes 22 seconds

The diabetes medication Ozempic has exploded in popularity, particularly amongst those in Hollywood looking to lose a few extra pounds. But a silver bullet for weight loss leads to a number of questions: Is “buying weight loss” via injection somehow worse than diet and exercise? Are so many people buying and using this drug that people who need it for its intended purpose are missing out? What happened to body positivity?Guest: Matthew Schneier, feature writer for New York Magazine.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/05/2023 • 34 minutes 30 seconds

The idea that COVID-19 vaccines are linked to sudden deaths among young people has no scientific support, but the theory nevertheless has a lot of traction on social media.How can public health officials educate the public—especially on subject like vaccines, where their effectiveness renders them effectively invisible?Guest: Katelyn Jetelina, epidemiologist and data scientistHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/20/2023 • 32 minutes 37 seconds

An inside look at the rise of YouTube into a social media behemoth.Guests: Mark Bergen and Claire StapletonHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/11/2022 • 35 minutes 8 seconds

The Inflation Reduction Act is spurring progress towards new climate technology that, at times, sounds like something out of a science fiction movie. Will it make a dent in the fight against climate change?Guest: Pranshu VermaHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/19/2022 • 27 minutes 51 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus take a look at Vero, the new social network that has people fleeing Instagram and Facebook, how conspiracy theories after the Parkland massacre have bubbled to the top of YouTube’s search results, and the controversy over how Facebook charges for campaign ads, after a Wired report showed that Trump faced much lower rates than Clinton in the 2016 presidential election. FCC Commissioner Mignon Clyburn joins the show to talk about net neutrality, the upcoming Sinclair merger, sky-high prison phone rates and what the FCC is doing to help restore communications post Hurricane Maria. Don’t Close My Tabs:Wired: How Trump Conquered Facebook - Without Russian AdsUber Driver’s Playlists: @TEEJUS Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Please fill out the Slate podcast survey at slate.com/podcastsurveyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/28/2018 • 46 minutes 44 seconds

Experts say that a “fully approved” designation for the vaccines could have sweeping effects. Broader vaccination mandates, inclusion for new age groups, and reassurance for those hesitant to take a vaccine without the designation. As calls for approval grow louder and more urgent, the Food and Drug Administration is yet to give its blessing. What’s happening inside the FDA as they work toward this milestone?Guest: Sarah Owermohle, health care reporter at PoliticoHost:Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/13/2021 • 27 minutes 57 seconds

Last week, the superintendent of the Northshore school district near Seattle made a difficult decision. With the coronavirus spreading rapidly in the area, she closed all 34 schools in her district and moved all classes online. But for many schools, remote learning at this scale simply isn’t an option.With new cases appearing around the country, how will schools respond? And what happens when you send millions of students home for weeks on end?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/13/2020 • 20 minutes

JP Morgan Chase is getting an education on FAFSA and financial aid–which would’ve been helpful before they acquired a now, quite dubious seeming start-up.Guest: Ron Lieber, New York Times journalist, author of the “Your Money” column.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/05/2023 • 35 minutes 38 seconds

In this episode, guest host Henry Grabar looks at how Zillow is trying to disrupt the real estate business—and why it might work in some cities but not others.Then Horace Dediu answers Henry’s questions about bikes, scooters, and other miniature contraptions that might replace the automobile in cities.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/19/2019 • 34 minutes 39 seconds

Slate Plus members get ad-free podcasts and bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence.Sign up nowto listen and support our work.Google has spent the last decade trying to find a foothold in the health care industry. Now they’re partnering with the federal government to build a website that will seek to address the crisis.Can Google be trusted with our medical data?Guest: Mason Marks, law professor at Gonzaga University School of Law and an affiliated fellow at Yale Law School's Information Society Project.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/20/2020 • 24 minutes 59 seconds

It can feel very personal to have your Facebook or Instagram page hacked—they’re your pictures and your friends after all. But Meta, the social media parent company, handles hacks with anything but a personal touch.Guest: Kirstin Grind, investigative reporter for the Wall Street Journal.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/22/2023 • 32 minutes 39 seconds

California recently passed a law that would classify rideshare drivers across the state as employees, rather than contractors. Among many other benefits, they’d be allowed to unionize, collect overtime pay, and take sick leave.So why are so many drivers against it?Guest: Harry Campbell, former Uber driver and founder of The Rideshare GuyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/08/2019 • 18 minutes 45 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus bring us an early-week show in anticipation of Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg’s testimony to Congress Tuesday and Wednesday (which also means we will have a show recapping the hearings later this week). The hosts speak with members of Congress from both sides of the aisle who will be questioning Zuckerberg on Wednesday at his second hearing in Congress this week. They speak with Pennsylvania republican Congressman Ryan Costello, and two democratic Congressman from California; Jerry McNerney and Raul Ruiz. Each of these politicians are on the House Energy and Commerce Committee, which will be questioning Mark Zuckerberg after his first round of questioning from the Senate. Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/10/2018 • 30 minutes 11 seconds

TikTok now has over 1.5 billion downloads, putting it in the company of social media giants like Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. While all of these companies have faced scrutiny from lawmakers in one form or another, TikTok is getting attention for its Chinese ownership as some fear that Beijing could use data uploaded to the platform for counterintelligence purposes. Is there a real reason to be concerned? Or is this just fearmongering about a geopolitical rival?Guest:Drew Harwell,technology reporter for the Washington Post.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/22/2019 • 22 minutes 18 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about changes to net neutrality that were announced this week. They also talk a little about the digital media bubble and if it’s real, and April will also tell us about how living with a robot is going. We also have Black friday special for you - the hosts will talk with Brian Krebs, an expert on cybercrime - about everything retailers and consumers should know before the big day. And lastly, Don’t Close My Tabs - Will and April’s picks for best on the web this week.April’s Tab:https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/12/the-making-of-an-american-nazi/544119/Will’s Tab - https://www.thedailybeast.com/ceo-of-hq-the-hottest-app-going-if-you-run-this-profile-well-fire-our-hostYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April is @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment for us, you can email as well at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/22/2017 • 42 minutes 43 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about about a clever effort to restore net neutrality in Montana and New York. They also discuss Facebook’s latest news feed tweaks: this time it’s trying to resuscitate the local news economy by putting more stories from local sources in your feed. The hosts are joined by Dipayan Ghosh, a former privacy and policy advisor to Facebook, the Obama Administration, and Hillary Clinton’s campaign - to talk about his recent report on how digital advertising technologies lend themselves to disinformation campaigns, and what the government can do about it. And as always, Don’t Close My Tabs, their picks for best on the web this week.Don’t Close My Tabs:The Guardian: Fitness Tracking App Strava Gives Away Location of Secret US Army BasesThe New York Times: The Follower FactoryPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/31/2018 • 37 minutes 33 seconds

Over the past five months, city blocks have been slipping away. Bars are closed; restaurants are half-empty; retail is shuttered. As the country returns to varying states of lockdown, how long can these blocks hold on?This week: how one commercial strip on Chicago’s South Side is weathering the pandemic.Guests:Nedra Sims Fears, executive director of the Greater Chatham InitiativeBrian d'Antignac, The WoodshopJaidah Wilson-Turnbow,Frances Cocktail LoungeZoie Reams,Brown Sugar BakeryHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/07/2020 • 22 minutes 50 seconds

For nearly a decade, Margrethe Vestager has led Europe's efforts to rein in big tech. One newspaper article described Vestager as putting the fear of God into Silicon Valley. How is she thinking about fairness in tech in 2022?Guest: Margrethe Vestager,Executive Vice-President of the European Commission for a Europe fit for the Digital AgeHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/03/2022 • 21 minutes 47 seconds

In schools across the country, tighter digital controls were put in place to keep kids on task during the pandemic. Are they here to stay?Guests: Priya Anand, reporter at BloombergHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/05/2021 • 25 minutes 11 seconds

CBP One, U.S. Customs and Border Protection's app that is supposed to make crossing the border more efficient, is littered with bugs. But even a perfectly functional smartphone app would pose problems for people seeking asylum on the southern U.S. border.Guest: Arelis Hernández, Washington Post reporterGia Del Pino, director of communications at the Kino Border InitiativeFelicia Rangel Samponaro, director of the Sidewalk SchoolHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/02/2023 • 39 minutes 38 seconds

Technology continues to change the way we live and work. Which is why The Secret History of The Future—the new technology show from Slate and The Economists—is digging through the past to find lessons for our future. Subscribe to Secret History of the Future via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/16/2018 • 44 minutes 4 seconds

Elon Musk has been promising fully self-driving Teslas to the public for years and the beta version of Full Self-Driving is already in over 300,000 cars. But as a recent recall attests, the software still isn’t ready to take the wheel—and Musk himself may be a big reason why.Guest: Faiz Siddiqui, tech reporter for the Washington PostHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/26/2023 • 35 minutes 27 seconds

For Spotify, the last month has seen a cascade of controversies around its exclusive podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience. Is it time for the streaming service to rethink its role as a podcast publisher? And is it even possible to moderate podcast misinformation?Guest: Evelyn Douek, lecturer at Harvard Law School, and Affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & SocietyHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/04/2022 • 24 minutes 33 seconds

In this episode Aaron Mak looks into Facebook’s plan to create a global cryptocurrency called Libra. For an expert opinion, he turns to Chris Brummer, a law professor at Georgetown University Law Center and the host of the podcast Fintech Beat. Brummer testified before the U.S. House of Representatives last week to explain why Facebook is jumping the gun with its proposal. After the interview, Shannon Palus joins the show for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs. Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/24/2019 • 36 minutes 41 seconds

Host Shannon Palus discusses how today’s vaping panic is connected to the rise of the cigarette with Jacob Grier, author of the new book The Rediscovery of Tobacco: Smoking, Vaping, and the Creative Destruction of the Cigarette. Grier argues for a nuanced view of tobacco and nicotine’s place in America, and just how much parents should worry if their teen comes home with a Juul. They’ll also discuss why Sweden’s solution for tobacco risk reduction serves as an enviable model.After the interview Shannon Palus joins co-host Aaron Mak for this week’s edition of “Don’t Close My Tabs.”Podcast production by Justin D. Wright.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/11/2019 • 37 minutes 33 seconds

Last week, a Tesla Model S crashed into a tree in a neighborhood north of Houston. Both men inside the car were killed. But according to police, neither of them was in the driver’s seat.This is not the first crash in which Tesla’s “autopilot” feature has likely played a role. Should we really be trusting this technology?Guest:Missy Cummings, professor of electrical and computer engineering at Duke UniversityHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/23/2021 • 23 minutes 29 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss the latest round of “Tech CEO Goes to Washington.” On Tuesday morning, that CEO was Google’s Sundar Pichai, who appeared before the House Judiciary Committee and was asked about data privacy, location tracking, Google’s plans in China, and of course, Republicans’ favorite tech topic: conservative bias. We’ll talk about what we learned from this hearing as well as what we wish Congress might’ve asked the Google CEO.Then April speaks with two people who have been working to organize workers in Amazon fulfilment centers in Minneapolis, Minnesota. One is a founder with Awood, Nimo Omar. She’s been organizing with the primarily East African communities that work in the Amazon warehouses on a campaign to collectively advocate for better working conditions. We’ll also be joined by a worker at one of those Amazon fulfillment centers in the Minneapolis area, WIlliam Stolz. We’ll ask him about his job at the warehouse and why he’s joining his fellow workers in organizing for change for change at the fulfillment centers.15:45 - Interview with Nimo Omar & William Stolz37:13 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:Pew Research: Social media outpaces print newspapers in the U.S. as a news sourceThe Baffler: Streambait PopSlate: Roma Is the Culmination of Everything Alfonso Cuarón Has Ever DonePodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/12/2018 • 48 minutes 48 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about a new Russian hacking report--this time, targeting conservatives. And it’s been a busy news week (as always) for Facebook, with reports on massive changes to its ad targeting and a heretofore secret plan to rate the credibility of its own users. Then, April is joined by Ryan Gallagher, a U.K. based investigative journalist at the Intercept, where he reports on digital security and state surveillance. Earlier this month Ryan broke a story on Dragonfly, a secretive Google search engine for China that would censor certain websites banned by the Chinese government. The vast majority of Google’s employees, including founder and board member Sergey Brin reportedly was unaware of this project until Gallagher broke the story. Now, many Googlers are livid. 19:25 - Interview with Ryan GallagherDon’t Close My Tabs: RadioLab: “Post No Evil”Jezebel: How a Woman Disappears from the History BooksPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/22/2018 • 48 minutes 53 seconds

Victims of a new and high tech kind of human trafficking are forced to scam people all around the world.Guest: Cezary PodkulHost: Lizzie O'LearyHuman Trafficking’s Newest Abuse: Forcing Victims Into CyberscammingLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/18/2022 • 31 minutes 3 seconds

Over the last week, millions of Texans have been forced to live without power or heat. At least 16 have died since Monday. In a state that’s no stranger to extreme weather and high power demand, how did it all go so wrong?Guest:Josh Rhodes, research associate at the Webber Energy Group at the University of Texas at AustinHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/19/2021 • 23 minutes 56 seconds

Peter Thiel spent the better part of two decades molding the tech industry in his image. Now, he's leaving Facebook behind and turning his attention to politics. Is Thiel the next kingmaker for the populist right?Max Chafkin, writer for Bloomberg and is the author of The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley's Pursuit of PowerLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/27/2022 • 24 minutes 35 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about a new anti-tech lobbying group formed by ex-employees of Facebook and Google, the big trial that’s happening this week in San Francisco that involves Waymo accusing Uber of stealing trade secrets in a winner-take-all race for self-driving supremacy. The hosts are also joined by Marcy Wheeler, an independent journalist and long time expert on the ins and outs of FISA and mass digital surveillance. And as always, Don’t Close My Tabs, the hosts’ picks for best on the Web this week.Don’t Close My Tabs:New York Times: Making a Crypto Utopia in Puerto RicoNew York Times: A Driver’s Suicide Reveals the Dark Side of the Gig Economy Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/07/2018 • 42 minutes 38 seconds

In the midst of the pandemic, protests and police lockdowns, restaurants are turning increasingly to delivery apps like DoorDash and Grubhub to stay afloat. But with shady tactics, soaring fees, and deep-seated flaws with the business model of the entire industry, delivery startups may do more harm than good.Guest: Ranjan Roy, CEO at the Edge Group and writer of Margins newsletterSlate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/05/2020 • 20 minutes 22 seconds

Most people thought developing the vaccine in record time would be the hard part. That, or shipping millions of doses at subzero temperatures to every corner of the country. But nobody--or, almost nobody--guessed that the biggest barrier between U.S. citizens and vaccination would be … online scheduling.What went wrong with the vaccine websites? And what will it take to get them right?Guests:Raphael Lee, director of USDR’s Health ProgramHana Schank, director of Strategy for Public Interest Technology at New AmericaJessica AllenHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/22/2021 • 30 minutes 48 seconds

There's no way to remove politics from public health.Guest: Tim RequarthHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/21/2022 • 28 minutes 55 seconds

On January 1st, a new law will grant Californians the right to see, delete, and stop the sale of personal information collected by tech companies. But the impact of the bill may reach far beyond California. How does this landmark law affect the rest of the country? And will it set the stage for national privacy legislation?Guest: Hayley Tsukayama, Legislative Activist at the Electronic Frontier FoundationLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/27/2019 • 19 minutes 31 seconds

Fidelity made headlines when they announced you could invest your retirement savings in Bitcoin. Then the crypto market crashed.Guest: Anthony Lee ZhangHost: Sonari GlintonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/26/2022 • 22 minutes 11 seconds

Back in 2013, an entrepreneur named Jamie Siminoff appeared onShark Tank. He was seeking an investment in a new product he was calling Doorbot, a smart doorbell that would make answering the door more convenient and users’ lives “more connected.”Six years later, Doorbot is now Ring, an Amazon-owned home-security system that partners with more than 600 police departments around the country. How did Doorbot become Ring? And what are the consequences of placing surveillance cameras on front doors around the country?Guest:Caroline Haskins, technology reporter at Buzzfeed.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/20/2019 • 20 minutes 37 seconds

It’s been a rough autumn for parents of little kids, as non-COVID respiratory diseases are taking advantage of the first fall since 2019 where schools and daycares are full again, and America’s strained pediatric health care system is once again put to the test.Guest: Katherine Wu, science writer for The Atlantic.Host: Lizzie O’Leary.Podcast production by Madeline Ducharme.If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/06/2022 • 28 minutes 3 seconds

The rideshare company's founder once called taxis “evil.” Now, Uber might need them to survive.Guest: Preetika RanaHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/10/2022 • 22 minutes 43 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss how bots messed up the net neutrality comment process and whether that gives advocates a last chance to preserve an open Internet. They also examine YouTube’s ongoing problems airing disturbing videos involving children and why its moderation algorithms don’t work. Then the hosts speak with Lina Khan, legal policy director of the Open Markets Institute and a fellow at Yale Law school, about AT&T’s now-troubled attempt to merge with Time Warner, and the DoJ’s unusual antitrust challenge. Lastly, as always, Don’t Close My Tabs: April and Will’s picks for best tech stories on the web this week.If Then’s “Don’t Close My Tabs” recommendations:NY Mag: Tumblr Founder David Karp is Stepping DownStanford Politics: How Peter Thiel and the Stanford Review Built a Silicon Valley EmpirePodcast production by Max Jacobs.You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will at @WillOremus, and April is @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment for us, you can email as well at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/29/2017 • 37 minutes 54 seconds

After months of coronavirus lockdowns, cities are taking stock of their finances. The situation is bleak. With plummeting sales and property tax revenue, American cities of all sizes may be facing a budget crisis. What happens when local governments have to cut their budgets by double-digit percentages? Will the federal government learn from the Great Recession and intervene?Guests:Minh Nguyen, owner of Cafe TH in HoustonChris Brown, Houston City ControllerMildred Warner, professor of urban planning at Cornell.Host: Henry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/17/2020 • 23 minutes 46 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about the hedge fund that’s gutting the newsrooms of local newspapers across the country—and racking up huge profits. They also discuss the futuristic news out of Google’s annual developer conference, including an AI that can hold a conversation and book you a dinner reservation.Oremus is joined by Professor Raj Rajkumar, a self-driving car expert who serves as co-director of Carnegie Mellon’s autonomous driving research lab. They discuss the future of self-driving cars, but also the current moment—how today’s technology stacks up to human drivers in terms of safety, and what’s behind the recent spate of crashes. Don’t Close My TabsThe New York Times: Yes, It’s Bad. Robocalls, And Their Scams, Are Surging.The Atlantic: I’m not Black, I’m KanyePodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/09/2018 • 41 minutes 45 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about the implications from last week’s bizarre, but also serious, showdown between Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos and American Media INC, the owner of the Trump-friendly National Enquirer. Bezos claimed the Enquirer was blackmailing him by threatening to release private and quite racy photos between him and the woman he was having an affair with. Bezos stood up to the alleged extortion by publishing his account of the situation, complete with threatening emails from AMI. At the same time Bezos was fighting for his own privacy, his company was making a deal that could have serious privacy implications for the rest of us. This week, Amazon announced it was acquiring Eero, the mesh WiFi router startup. To sort through this mesh, the hosts are joined by Stacey Higginbotham, who writes all about the internet of things. They ask her about what this move means for smart home users’ privacy, and where we should draw the line on what in our home should be smart, and what should be...well, dumb. 8:08 - Interview with Stacey Higginbotham21:15 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:April: The Baffler: The Whitest News You KnowWill: The New Republic: The False Promise of Silicon Valley’s Quest to Save the WorldPodcast production by Max JacobsYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/13/2019 • 30 minutes 59 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about Facebook’s fraught plan to rate the media and the cool yet creepy Amazon store that automatically bills you for your purchases. The hosts are joined by Daily Beast technology and culture reporter Taylor Lorenz to talk about the incredible fame, wealth, and influence of young YouTube stars—and their startling business savvy. And, as always, Don’t Close My Tabs: Netflix’s price hike and an inside scoop on last year’s bizarre blow-up by the CEO of HQ Trivia.Don’t Close My Tabs:The Washington Post: Netflix raised its prices, and we kept subscribing anywayThe Daily Beast: CEO of HQ, the Hottest App Going: If You Run This Profile, We’ll Fire Our HostPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/24/2018 • 33 minutes 41 seconds

Host Shannon Palus explores a future in which high school girls stay atop the social hierarchy by editing their genes, giving themselves purple eyes, and glittery skin. That’s what fiction author E. Lily Yu imagines 2060 is like in her short story, Zero In Babel, which was published on Slate as part of the Future Tense Fiction Series. Shannon and producer Cameron Drews read and excerpt of the story, and then Shannon speaks to Yu about her creative process.After the interview Aaron Mak joins the show for this week’s edition of “Don’t Close My Tabs.”Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/28/2019 • 40 minutes 30 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss Elon Musk’s plan to… colonize Mars? They explain how sanctuary cities may unwittingly be sharing data with ICE through police surveillance tech. And Facebook VP Adam Mosseri, head of the news feed, joins the show for a wide-ranging interview. He explains how his team thinks about its responsibility to inform the public, and how they tackle complex problems ranging from fake news in the United States to Facebook-fueled hate campaigns in Myanmar.Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/14/2018 • 42 minutes 15 seconds

Shows are disappearing. Staff are getting axed. Is It greed, or necessary for the networks' survival?Guest: Julia AlexanderHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/28/2022 • 28 minutes 57 seconds

This week, in the wake of violent protests at the Capitol, the social media platforms took unprecedented steps to rein in the president. Facebook banned his account at least through Inauguration Day. Twitter removed tweets and locked his account for 12 hours. Will these measures really make a difference? And how is it that two CEOs came to have so much power over the president’s reach?Guest:Danielle Citron, professor at UVA Law School and vice president of the Cyber Civil Rights InitiativeHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/08/2021 • 21 minutes 26 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus lamentthe anticlimactic end to Waymo and Uber’s court drama, explain why teens are pissed at Snapchat, and examine John Perry Barlow’s contributions to the internet we know today. The hosts are joined by Justin Rosenstein, co-founder of Asana and the former Facebooker behind the like button, to talk about the distraction crisis and whether Silicon Valley can solve a problem it created.Don’t Close My Tabs:The Robot Dog That Can Open a Door Is Even More Impressive Than It LooksCandy Heart Messages Written by a Neural Network Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/14/2018 • 45 minutes 28 seconds

In 2019, for the first time, more advertising money went toward targeted digital ads in the U.S. than on radio, television, cable, magazine, and newspaper ads combined. The moment was the culmination of a decadeslong journey that has completely transformed media, politics, and privacy.How did the targeted ad come to hold so much power? And what did we lose along the way?Guest: Siva Vaidhyanathan, professor of media studies at the University of Virginia.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/10/2020 • 20 minutes 48 seconds

It makes intuitive sense for companies that develop a technology to hold its intellectual property rights. But in the case of vaccines and medical treatments, IP laws slow down manufacturing and distribution and give private companies the power to make huge decisions that affect public health globally.Guest: Zain Rizvi, researcher for advocacy group Public Citizen, specializing in pharmaceutical innovation and access to medicine.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/07/2022 • 28 minutes 45 seconds

On Monday, the Iowa caucuses went off the rails. As the hours stretched into days, and still the results remained unclear, a new piece of election technology was identified as a central cause of the delay.An app designed to make the election process speedier and more secure had the opposite effect. And its failure is symptomatic of deep-rooted issues in the way the Democratic Party develops and deploys election technology.So, what exactly went wrong on Monday? And what does it say about the party’s effort to regain its digital edge in 2020?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/07/2020 • 20 minutes 33 seconds

The Biden administration says a third dose of vaccines for all American adults will end the pandemic faster. And experts say there is evidence of waning vaccine effectiveness against mild-to-moderate disease. But globally, what’s the best use of the next available dose?Guest: Saad Omer, director of the Yale Institute for Global Health.Host: Lizzie O’LearyThis episode was produced by Alyssa Edes.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/20/2021 • 22 minutes 41 seconds

Back in 2014, Google released in-depth diversity data for its workforce for the first time. 1.1 percent of its tech team identified as Black. Six years later, after millions of dollars spent and a much-hyped partnership program with historically Black colleges and universities across the country, that number is up to 2.4 percent.How did such a promising effort yield such incremental change?Guest: Nitasha Tiku, tech culture reporter at the Washington PostHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/12/2021 • 25 minutes 52 seconds

Elon Musk isn't wrong that Twitter has a bot problem. But he's kind of missing the point.Guest: Samuel WoolleyHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/10/2022 • 26 minutes 54 seconds

While TikTok’s parent company, Bytedance, is fighting to keep its flagship app from being banned in the United States, it’s also pushing a new app into the marketplace—Lemon8. One part Pinterest, one part Instagram and a dash of its sister app, Lemon8 is most likely saddled with the same security concerns that led lawmakers to consider banning TikTok.Guest: Sapna Maheshwari, business reporter for the New York Times.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/07/2023 • 30 minutes 18 seconds

Longtermism, the idea that positively influencing the future is a key moral priority of our time, is hot in Silicon Valley. But does it miss the bigger picture?Guests: William MacAskill, Robert WrightHost: Lizzie O'LearyThanksAvast.com! Learn more about Avast One atAvast.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/02/2022 • 58 minutes 25 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser talks with Ellen Pao about sexism in Silicon Valley and why the tech industry hasn’t experienced the same fallout over accusations of sexual harassment and assault as the media and entertainment business. Pao discusses what gives her hope for tech and describes what she’s witnessed as CEO and founder of Project Include, a nonprofit organization dedicated to diversity in tech. They also discuss her time as interim CEO of Reddit and what platforms should do to combat hate speech and harassment on their sites.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/06/2017 • 27 minutes 43 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined by Max Read, an editor and writer at New York Magazine who writes the column Life in Pixels.First, April and Max talk to Patri Friedman, founder of the Seasteading Institute, which he started in 2008 with seed funding from PayPal co-founder Peter Thiel. Seasteading is the process of forming new societies on the open ocean, and it’s getting a lot of attention from Silicon Valley.Then Robert Vicino joins the show to talk about his company, Vivos, which designs and builds high-end bunkers to help people ride out natural disasters and other potential catastrophes. Vicino talks about his clientele and the concerns that drive people to buy fancy underground apartments. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/29/2019 • 41 minutes 38 seconds

There are some 400 million surveillance cameras installed in China, one for every three to four civilians. Built with the help of American tech companies, the surveillance state was pitched to the public as a way to make society safer and more efficient. But after severe lockdowns during COVID, the public has been objecting out of the eye of the camera lens. Protests are being written on bathroom walls.Guest: Josh Chin, deputy bureau chief, China, for the Wall Street JournalHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/30/2022 • 42 minutes 7 seconds

With disaster relief funds from Hurricane Harvey, Houston's Harris County instituted a mandatory buyout program for residents in flood-prone areas. But some residents didn't want to leave.Guest: Amal Ahmed, Dolores MendozaHost: Mary C. CurtisLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/30/2022 • 28 minutes 18 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss startling new revelations about some of the major phone carriers. The story broke this week in Motherboard titled “I Gave a Bounty Hunter $300. Then He Located Our Phone.” It details how T-Mobile, Sprint, and AT&T are selling access to customers location data to shady characters like landlords and collection agencies. And speaking of phones, could we finally be witnessing an end to the iPhone’s dominance of the technology industry? Last week, Apple CEO Tim Cook warned about a shortfall in global iPhone revenue. We’ll talk about why that is and what it might mean for Apple’s future.And if you work even remotely adjacent to the tech industry, then you know...this week is the Consumer Electronics Show, or CES—the biggest annual tech expo in the world held in Las Vegas. We’ll be joined by Dieter Bohn, the executive editor of The Verge, from the floor of the show. 17:05 - Interview with Dieter Bohn.35:13 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:Slate: Tunnel VisionNew Statesman America: London's Victorian Hyperloop: the forgotten pneumatic railway beneath the capital's streetsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/09/2019 • 42 minutes 7 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about the recent announcement that Instagram’s founders Kevin Systrom and Mike Krieger, would be leaving the company - at least in part due to clashes with Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg over the company’s future. They also discuss tech talks on capitol hill this week between the justice department and federal and state law enforcement on political bias, antitrust, and privacy on social media -- as well as a hearing in the Senate scheduled for Wednesday on how technology companies use and misuse consumer data. Then, the hosts spend the rest of the podcast talking about...podcasts. The last couple weeks have witnessed some dramatic changes in the podcast industry (including right here at the Slate Group). Last week Buzzfeed axed it’s entire podcast department, a very popular and groundbreaking arm of the media company. Meanwhile, Vox Media did just the opposite, announcing they’d be doubling their podcast output this fall. To help make sense of all this, April and Will are joined by media writer Nick Quah, who pens the weekly newsletter Hot Pod, which is considered required reading for many in the podcast industry. 15:41 - Interview with Nick Quah34:36 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: okayplayer: The Secret History of Outkast’s ‘Speakerboxxx/The Love Below:’ the Last Truly Great Double AlbumThe New Yorker: How Russia Helped Swing the Election for TrumpThe Guardian: ‘Sorry I’m Scuba Diving’” Salesforce CEO Criticized Over Response to Border Contract BacklashPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/26/2018 • 42 minutes 30 seconds

Churches are using accountability apps to keep tabs on their members' behavior. But if your pastor wants to monitor your phone, can you truly consent?Guest: Dhruv MehrotraHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/09/2022 • 24 minutes 31 seconds

For nearly two years, an unprecedented experiment has been taking place in the town of El Zonte in El Salvador. Funded by a mysterious donor, the town’s residents built a Bitcoin economy, using the cryptocurrency to purchase just about anything.Now, El Slavador has passed a new law making it the first country to adopt Bitcoin as legal tender. Can they replicate El Zonte’s success at a national scale?Guest: Ezra Fieser, reporter at BloombergHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/25/2021 • 25 minutes 25 seconds

For most of the last year, Clubhouse—the audio-only social media app—has been dominated by conversations about business, branding, and Elon Musk. But as users picked up the app around the globe, something extraordinary happened.Censors in mainland China overlooked it. And for two weeks in February, it hosted a series of unusual, unfiltered conversations. Han Chinese, Hong Kongers, Taiwanese, and Uighurs all flooded to the app to speak freely about authoritarianism, democracy, and propaganda.Here’s what happened when the censors looked the other way.Guest:Melissa Chan, journalist with the Global Reporting CentreHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/12/2021 • 26 minutes 52 seconds

Dysfunction is nothing new to Twitter. But Elon Musk pulling his offer to buy the company adds a new layer of chaos.Guest: Alex KantrowitzHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/15/2022 • 29 minutes 33 seconds

Why did Ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt spend over a decade building relationships with the most powerful Democrats in America?Guest: Alex Thompson, reporter at PoliticoLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/01/2022 • 23 minutes 36 seconds

In buying One Medical, Amazon is primed to be your doctor.Are they disrupting health care, or just collecting more data?Guest: Rebecca PiferHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/29/2022 • 30 minutes 36 seconds

After Facebook and Twitter banned thousands of accounts in the wake of the Capitol riots, fringe groups are flocking to platforms like Signal and Telegram. With the inauguration just days away, and government officials warning of violence, QAnon believers and Stop the Steal protesters are now communicating in encrypted spaces. What, if anything, is being planned?Guest:Will Sommer, politics reporter at the Daily BeastHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/15/2021 • 21 minutes 5 seconds

Elon Musk was promising an “epic” Q4 at Tesla last year. But 2022 ended closer to what might be considered an “epic fail,” with the stock price down 65 percent. In an uncertain economic environment like this one, how much blame goes to Musk for unloading $40 billion worth of stock and focusing on his shiny new social media network? Or are these just growing pains that every company goes through as they mature?Guest: Dana Hull, automotive and technology reporter for Bloomberg News in San FranciscoHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/15/2023 • 34 minutes 37 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser look further into the presidential election in Brazil and how tech has played a role. On Sunday, the far right candidate Jair Bolsanaro was elected President, and many have attributed his victory to misinformation that spread like wildfire through WhatsApp in the months leading up to the election.And it’s time again for more gadgets. Apple unveiled a new series of gizmos on Tuesday in Brooklyn: there were big changes to the iPad, Macbook Air, and MacMini. The hosts are also joined by Joan Donovan, the lead researcher at Data & Society, who focuses on hate groups congregate on social media. This conversation, sadly, comes following the horrific terrorist attack on the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh over the weekend. The shooter, Robert Bowers, had been an active user of the free-speech-centric social media platform Gab that has become a kind of digital playpen for neo-Nazi and white supremacists since forming in 2016. Gab went offline Sunday night.5:43 - Interview with Pablo Ortellado15:11 - Interview with Joan Donovan33:41 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: The New York Times: How Google Protected Andy Rubin, the “Father of Android”Frontline: The Facebook Dilemma (Part One)Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/31/2018 • 46 minutes 28 seconds

The proliferation of chatbots and A.I.-generated art has consumers and tech companies alike convinced that artificial intelligence is ready to be integrated into consumer electronics, products, homes, and across industry. In fact, it’s already in progress. What’s the worst that can happen?Guest: Will Oremus, technology reporter for the Washington PostHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/29/2023 • 37 minutes 53 seconds

Elizabeth Holmes convinced countless people that her company would change the world. Can she convince 12 jurors that she didn’t intend to deceive her company’s patients and investors?Guest: Rebecca Jarvis, host of “The Dropout” podcast and ABC News Chief Business, Technology & Economics CorrespondentHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/27/2021 • 26 minutes 18 seconds

Recently, one of the world’s leading AI ethics researchers, Timnit Gebru, left Google. Google says she resigned. Timnit says she was fired. In the days since, Timnit’s departure has turned into a public relations crisis for the search giant, prompting its CEO to issue a public apology.What happened behind the scenes at Google that led to Timnit’s dismissal?Guest: Timnit Gebru, AI ethics researcher, and the co-founder of Black in AI.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/15/2020 • 24 minutes 12 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus dig into special prosecutor Robert Mueller’s recent indictment of 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies for their role in tampering with the 2016 election. Jonathan Albright from the Tow Center for Digital Journalism at Columbia join the hosts to talk about his take on the indictments, and the research he’s conducted that show how the big social media companies were manipulated by Russian trolls from the Internet Research Agency at a rate far greater than those companies claimed. Don’t Close My Tabs:The Verge: Google Removes ‘View Image’ Button From Search ResultsVulture: The Story of Combat Jack, Hip-Hop’s Flagship Podcaster Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Please fill out the Slate podcast survey at slate.com/podcastsurveyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/21/2018 • 38 minutes 14 seconds

Using experimental technology to pull gigatons of carbon out of the air and bury it deep beneath the Earth sounds like a bad sci-fi plot point. If things don’t change soon, it also might be one of our only options.Guest: Clive Thompson, journalist and author of Coders: The Making of a New Tribe and the Remaking of the WorldHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/17/2021 • 29 minutes 48 seconds

OpenAI was founded in 2015 with a billion dollars and an idealistic mission: Create artificial intelligence that could address humanity’s biggest problems, and do it out in the open. Then came the money problems.Guest: Karen Hao, senior A.I. reporter at MIT Tech ReviewHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/28/2020 • 21 minutes 10 seconds

After years of controversial content moderation decisions, from deepfakes to deplatforming, Facebook is trying something new. In January, the social network announced that its new Oversight Board, which will act as a sort of supreme court for controversial content, will begin hearing cases this summer.Could this independent board change the way we govern speech online?Guest: Kate Klonick, assistant professor at St. John’s University School of Law, and fellow at the Information Society Project at Yale.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/21/2020 • 23 minutes 2 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about a key detail in the new tax plan that could have a huge effect on gig workers in the tech sector—and maybe even robots. They also discuss Apple’s “batterygate” iPhone situation, what happened, and what can we take from their unusual apology? The hosts are also joined by Slate’s Future Tense editor Torie Bosch to talk about the anthology she co-edited What Future: The Year’s Best Ideas to Reclaim, Reanimate & Reinvent Our Future.Podcast production by Max Jacobs.You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/03/2018 • 35 minutes 59 seconds

Over the last decade, billionaires like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and Richard Branson have come to embody the future of space travel and exploration. What does it mean when the ideas and ambitions of a few powerful men come to dominate the conversation so thoroughly?Guest: Lucianne Walkowicz, astronomer at the Adler Planetarium and founder of the Just Space AllianceHostLizzie O’LearyThis episode is sponsored by Teamistry. You can listen hereLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/11/2021 • 24 minutes 48 seconds

In this episode Shannon Palus talks to Victoria Fu and Gloria Lu, co-founders of Chemist Confessions. Their goal is to help us all cut through the marketing buzzwords of the skincare industry, and understand some of the actual chemistry behind the products we use.After the interview, Aaron Mak joins the show for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/31/2019 • 35 minutes 39 seconds

Nuclear technology has become more important than ever, thanks to a global energy crisis and climate change. But it also has a complicated history.Guest: Joshua KeatingHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/25/2022 • 26 minutes 33 seconds

Last week, the U.S. government released a new report that attempts to categorize 144 verified sightings of unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP. They could only definitively explain one of them.The new report signals a shift in the way we think about UAP. As technology has advanced and evidence of these encounters has increased, the question has become more urgent: What exactly is happening in our skies?Guest: Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington PostHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/02/2021 • 25 minutes 12 seconds

Elizabeth Holmes was found guilty of defrauding investors this week in federal court. The former CEO, wunderkind, and blood mogul has been the subject of intense legal interest and public fascination ever since her company, Theranos, was beset by scandal in 2015. Today on What Next: TBD we follow-up with Rebecca Jarvis, host of “The Dropout” podcast and ABC News Chief Business, Technology & Economics Correspondent. We dig into the verdict and ask if Silicon Valley will finally confront the elements of its culture that allowed Elizabeth Holmes and Theranos to run wild with investor’s money, and patient’s health.You can listen to “The Dropout: Elizabeth Holmes on Trial” now wherever you get your podcasts.Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/07/2022 • 27 minutes 55 seconds

The shooting in Buffalo raises questions about the effectiveness of content moderation. Is the Global Internet Forum to Counter Terrorism the answer to how social media can moderate extremist content?Guest: Emma Llansó, director of the Free Expression Project at the Center for Democracy and TechnologyHost: Ray SuarezLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/20/2022 • 21 minutes 19 seconds

This episode originally aired in September.In the U.S., the PCR test is the gold standard for COVID testing. Common knowledge would have it that the test is more accurate—and therefore more effective at containing the spread of the disease—than the rapid antigen test.What if that isn’t quite true?Guest: Michael Mina, assistant professor of epidemiology at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public HealthHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/24/2021 • 33 minutes 10 seconds

The bots aren’t just buying cool sneakers. They’re buying concert tickets. Tickets to basketball games and Broadway shows. At the beginning of the pandemic, they were buying hand sanitizer and face masks. And later, they were booking vaccine reservation spots.Why are bots taking over certain markets? And is there anything we can do to slow them down?Guests:Derreck Johnson, designer at SlateEric Budish, economics professor at the University of ChicagoHost: Seth StevensonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/29/2021 • 29 minutes 2 seconds

The psychedelic renaissance is here. But not everyone’s on board.Guest: John SemleyHost: Sonari GlintonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/14/2022 • 27 minutes 30 seconds

U.S. air travel is being strained on all sides—travel demand is back to 2019 levels, but the number of pilots and planes and ground crew hasn’t caught back up, and a rash of close calls are raising safety concerns about America’s aging flying infrastructure.Guest: Jon Ostrower, editor in chief of The Air Current.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/09/2023 • 34 minutes 52 seconds

Hey If Then listeners! As of now, the new Slate podcast What Next: TBD will be taking over this feed. What Next: TBD is a weekly analysis with host Lizzie O’Leary of how technology is impacting our lives, and where we’re headed. From fake news to fake meat, algorithms to augmented reality, we’ll be examining the often hidden forces shaping our world, and we’ll talk to the people who are studying those forces, impacted by them, and creating them. What Next: TBD is a spinoff from the Slate daily news show What Next. If you’re not already subscribed, go find it in your podcast app: there you’ll find the brilliant Mary Harris every Monday through Thursday to help you make sense of the news, sifting through the frenetic cascade of headlines to go deep on one story at a time. Then you’ll get this show, What Next: TBD, on Fridays. So listen here, or get all of Slate’s morning news in the What Next feed, starting tomorrow, October 25th. See you then!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/24/2019 • 54 seconds

The openness of the internet is its greatest strength. Or a glaring weakness, depending on who you ask. Does something need to change?Guest: Jared SchroederHost: Sonari GlintonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/24/2022 • 25 minutes 31 seconds

In this episode, April Glaser catches up with her former co-host Will Oremus. Then the two of them are joined by Future Tense editor Torie Bosch and New York Times opinion writer Farhad Manjoo to discuss why tech journalism has become far more critical in recent years.Plus, April and Will discuss futuristic science fiction scenarios on this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/26/2019 • 44 minutes 15 seconds

Companies are developing and selling A.I. products intended to tell your boss or your teacher how you're feeling.Guest: Kate Kaye, reporter for ProtocolHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/13/2022 • 20 minutes 6 seconds

They’ve stolen billions of dollars. Is the U.S. ready to crack down?Guest: Jason Bartlett, research associate in the Energy, Economics, and Security Program at the Center for a New American SecurityHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/22/2022 • 23 minutes 21 seconds

In the early days of the pandemic, countries around the world invested heavily in new technologies that would help track the movement of the virus. Now, six months later, contact tracing apps are all but an afterthought in the fight to contain COVID-19. What happened? The U.K. provides some answers. The country put its faith in technology to contain the virus, and paid the price.Guest:Gus Hosein, executive director at Privacy InternationalHostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/21/2020 • 21 minutes 8 seconds

When Joe Biden takes office in two months, the federal government will take on a new stance in its fight to contain the coronavirus. The broad strokes of that strategy have been outlined in debates and on campaign websites, but now the real work begins.Two weeks ago, the president-elect appointed a team of 13 advisers to answer some key questions. How can the new government win the trust of the 73 million Americans who voted for Donald Trump? What would a national mask mandate look like? How will the different vaccines be distributed?A member of President-elect Biden’s COVID-19 council takes us behind the scenes.Guest: Celine Gounder, member of the Joe Biden’s COVID-19 Advisory Board, and host of the American Diagnosis and Epidemic podcasts.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/20/2020 • 25 minutes 6 seconds

The US has been in a housing shortage for decades. Can it ever be fixed?Guest: Conor DoughertyHost: Emily PeckLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/05/2022 • 28 minutes 33 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk a little about why everyone is freaking out about Bitcoin. And in the run up to Thursday’s critical net neutrality decision from the FCC, the hosts speak with Columbia law professor Tim Wu - who actually coined the term net neutrality - about why it’s so crucial to save it, and what we might expect from legal challenges stemming from Thursday’s FCC announcement.If Then’s “Don’t Close My Tabs” recommendations:TechCrunch: Patreon’s New Service Fee Spurs Concerns that Creators will Lose PatronsSlate: Netflix Releases Rare Ratings Info to Mock Obsessive Fans of its Own MoviePodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/13/2017 • 32 minutes 1 second

Over the last decade, born from the chaos of the 2008 financial crisis, automated tenant screening has grown into a billion-dollar industry. Now, nine out of 10 landlords rely on automated tenant-screening reports, scraped from eviction history, criminal background records, and terror watchlists, to decide if they can trust potential renters. The problem? Often, the reports contain major errors, mistaken identities, and criminal records that are supposed to be expunged. Can these reports really be trusted?Guest: Lauren Kirchner, investigative reporter at The MarkupOriginal reporting with Matthew Goldstein, reporter at The New York TimesHostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/09/2020 • 23 minutes 19 seconds

After decades as America’s booming industry, tens of thousands of tech workers have been laid off in November alone. Is the venture-capital, low-interest-rate wind leaving the sails temporary or is this the end of the hunt for “the next big thing?”Guest: Timothy B. Lee, reporter for Full Stack Economics covering labor markets, technology, and housing.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/20/2022 • 31 minutes 10 seconds

Last week, Slate published The Evil List, an expansive attempt to document the most concerning tech companies around the world, according to the experts. Some you’ve heard of, some you probably haven’t, and some you almost certainly use every day.Which of these deserve our attention? And why?Guests:Mutale Nkonde, public interest technologist and fellow at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & SocietyFelix Salmon, chief financial correspondent at Axios and host of Slate MoneyLindsey Barrett, staff attorney and teaching fellow at the Institute for Public Representation Communications & Technology Clinic.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/24/2020 • 23 minutes 20 seconds

Aaron Mak learns about how law enforcement is using public genealogy websites to crack cold cases. His guest is Nila Bala, Associate Director of Criminal Justice Policy at the R Street Institute, which is a think tank whose mission is to find solutions to complex policy problems. Bala is also a former public defender. She says while it’s great that criminals are being brought to justice, there should be more rules in place to limit false positives and prevent privacy violations. After the interview, Shannon Palus joins the show for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/21/2019 • 38 minutes

Since March, white-collar offices in major cities across the United States have stood empty. Now, with growing evidence that the workforce is equally effective at home, companies and designers are starting to rethink the office—what it looks like, what it’s used for, and if it’s really needed at all.But this wholesale reimagining of office life comes at a cost. How will the severe reduction of commuters transform American cities?Guests:John Capobianco, principal at IA Interior ArchitectsHannah Hackathorn, principal at UnispaceEllen Baer, BID president, Hudson SquareLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/03/2020 • 20 minutes 27 seconds

Alzheimer’s treatment hasn’t changed much in the past two decades, and the way researchers have been thinking about and approaching the disease may be to blame.Guest: Damian Garde, reporter for Stat covering the biotech industry.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/23/2022 • 34 minutes 40 seconds

ICYMI is Slate’s new podcast about internet culture. It’s a show for people who have a healthy relationship with the internet, made by people who really, really don’t. It’s hosted by Slate’s Madison Malone Kircher and Rachelle Hampton. Twice a week they’ll explore what’s trending at the top of your feeds, investigate the ghosts of internet past, and help you sound like the smartest person in your group chat.In the episode you’re about to hear, they take you on an all-access tour of Clubhouse, the invite-only audio app that already has millions of users, including everyone from Elon Musk and Drake to Oprah and Joe Rogan. Madison somehow ends up taking a shower with hundreds of other users? The app also doesn’t allow people to record and publish audio, so this episode will probably get them banned.If you like what you hear, or you want to be the first to know whether Madison gets kicked off Clubhouse, subscribe to ICYMI wherever you get your podcasts.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/04/2021 • 28 minutes 36 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss the news that YouTube has been showing disturbing videos to kids and why this might be a symptom of a much deeper problem for Internet companies. They also talk about the recent revelations from the Paradise Papers and how new details pertain to companies like Twitter and Apple. The hosts are also joined by Mercer University Professor Whitney Phillips. She’s the author of “This Is Why We Can't Have Nice Things: Mapping the Relationship between Online Trolling and Mainstream Culture.” You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April is @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment for us, you can email as well at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/08/2017 • 38 minutes 24 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus will talk reader mail! The hosts take a look at some of your questions and comments from the year, in particular about how your relationship to technology and social media has changed in a year that has been tumultuous for tech companies like Facebook, Google, and Twitter.Then, they’ll talk about cybersecurity, hacks, and the sometimes bizarre legal battles that ensue after a big data theft. They’re be joined by Josephine Wolff, a professor of public policy at Rochester Institute of Technology and the author of “You'll see this message when it is too late: The Legal and Economic Aftermath of Cybersecurity Breaches.” They’ll talk to her about some of the most significant breaches in the last decade, how those companies holding that information have been held accountable, and what it means for the everyday user who just wants to shop at Target.Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. This episode is brought to you by Merrill Lynch. Get started today at ML.com/you.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/26/2018 • 34 minutes 29 seconds

The online dating world can be brutal and repetitive—just the kind of thing you might want to automate. But, in one tech writer’s experience, artificial intelligence isn’t ready to make real connections—at least, not without a lot of help.Guest: Heather Tal Murphy, covers business and technology at SlateHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/12/2023 • 32 minutes

More than any other U.S. city, New Orleans banks on its culture. From music to restaurants to parades, the city relies on a steady stream of tourists to support its many artists and institutions. In March, those tourists stopped visiting. And without them, the fragile infrastructure of clubs, venues, and performances is starting to collapse. Can New Orleans survive the coronavirus?Guests:Patrick Williams, harmonica playerJesse Paige, owner of the Blue NileAsali DeVan Ecclesiastes, Executive Director of the Ashé Cultural Arts CenterLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/24/2020 • 23 minutes 14 seconds

Aprill Glaser and Will Oremus kick off the episode by talking about Apple’s plan to be the ultimate middleman--with new offerings announced this week of streaming video, games, and more. Then April offers an update on efforts in Congress to restore net neutrality.After that Veena Dubal, a law professor at UC Hastings, talks about worker strikes at Uber and Lyft and then sheds light on a California case that reclassifies most gig workers as employees instead of contractors.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/27/2019 • 45 minutes 46 seconds

Toronto’s Quayside project is a telling example of how smart cities have failed. Could it also show how to make them better?Guest: Ben Green, Jennifer KeesmaatHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/24/2022 • 29 minutes 19 seconds

The story of how GameStop went from the verge of a bankruptcy to a $15 billion market value isn’t an easy one to wrap your head around. But it helps to go back to the beginning; almost three years ago, in a subreddit called r/wallstreetbets.Guests:Brandon Kochkodin, reporter at BloombergHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/29/2021 • 24 minutes 57 seconds

Hosts and Slate journalists April Glaser and Will Oremus are excited to bring you this new weekly podcast: If Then. The hosts start by talking through some of the most interesting tech news of the week (we promise it's not just tech geeks fawning over their smart watches). They dig into the big story this week - how Facebook, Twitter, and Google all took a trip to congress this week to testify at three different hearings about how russian operatives used their platforms to interfere in the 2016 election--and help secure Trump’s victory. What did these companies know was happening, and what they could have done to stop it?The hosts are also joined by author and former Facebook Product Manager Antonio García Martínez (@antoniogm) to talk about what he thinks the role of these powerful tech companies is now that we know more about what happened in the run up to the presidential election.And to end the show - "Don't Close My Tabs" - a look into some of the best things seen online this week, as recommended by your show hosts.Please hit that subscribe button if you don't so already! And...maybe leave us a comment? We're trying to spread word of the show and that will help us out!You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April is @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment for us, you can email as well at ifthen@slate.com.See you back here next Wednesday!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/02/2017 • 44 minutes 34 seconds

In this episode, April Glaser is joined by guest co-host Max Read, an editor at New York magazine who covers technology and the internet.First, April and Max talk about Facebook co-founder Chris Hughes’ apostasy. Last week, Hughes wrote a long op-ed in the New York Times about why he thinks the company that made him so wealthy should be broken up.Then Katherine Lo joins the hosts to discuss how Facebook’s redesign will change how we communicate on the platform. These days she leads the content moderation team at a nonprofit called Meedan, which works with journalists on disinformation. While we talk a lot about how large social networks are governed—and misgoverned—it’s less frequent that we talk about how these platforms are designed, and how that can lead to toxic behavior.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/15/2019 • 36 minutes 36 seconds

On today’s show, April Glaser and Will Oremus first talk to two researchers who’ve uncovered new information about the way the U.S. government trains its facial recognition software. According to their findings, the government uses photos of immigrants, children, and even deceased prisoners to train their programs.Then NBC News reporter Ben Collins talks about the role of online extremism in last week’s New Zealand attacks, specifically with regard to Facebook and other platforms that allow live broadcasting. Collins also discusses how the shooter left a manifesto riddled with white supremacist signals from online communities and the difficulty of reporting on these racist communities without broadening their reach.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/20/2019 • 34 minutes 57 seconds

Whether it’s a phone screen or a coffee machine, why is it so hard to fix our own stuff? And what can we do to make it a bit easier?Guest: Jason Koebler, editor-in-chief of Motherboard and contributor to the CYBER podcastHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/30/2021 • 20 minutes 51 seconds

On Tuesday, after years of inaction, Twitter fact checked President Trump’s tweets for the first time.Six words were added below the original text, directing readers to outside articles refuting his claims.Two days later, the president signed an executive order that aims to change the nature of online speech, and the platforms that host it.Guest: Casey Newton, Silicon Valley editor at the VergeHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/29/2020 • 20 minutes 19 seconds

TikTok was banned on government agency devices in December; several schools and universities have banned it on their devices and wifi networks, and the governor of Texas unveiled a plan to ban it in the state. Can “Project Texas” stem the anti-TikTok tide? And would banning the app actually achieve…anything?Guest: Louise Matsakis, reporter for Semafor covering tech and ChinaHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/10/2023 • 30 minutes 3 seconds

Will Oremus and April Glaser are bringing you a special episode of If Then, all about the midterm elections and the role of Silicon Valley and online media in our beloved democratic process. We’re going to start with a roundtable with two extra tech journalists, Kevin Roose from the New York Times and Paris Martineau of Wired who have been reporting on issues of online speech, misinformation, and election interference this year.Then we’ll have an interview with one of the country’s top experts on election security and voting systems. He’s the former White House Deputy Chief Technology Officer: Ed Felten. We’ll talk to him about the problems that could rear their heads this cycle… namely with the very very outdated tech that we use to cast our ballots. Some of the voting machines we rely on are well over a decade old and are extremely vulnerable to hacking -- but here we are. And we’ll end our show with a very special Don’t Close My Tabs where we take a look at the best way to watch the results come in on Tuesday night. 2:00 - Roundtable with Paris Martineau and Kevin Roose31:22 - Interview with Ed Felten49:01 - Don’t Close My TabsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/05/2018 • 1 hour 8 seconds

When Barack Obama first won the White House, back in 2008, with Joe Biden as his vice president, the executive branch’s stance towards tech and tech companies was seen as cooperative, progressive, and forward-thinking. This time around, the tech giants can expect a very different relationship.Will Biden be the president to finally rein in big tech?Guest: Cecilia Kang, technology reporter at The New York TimesHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/13/2020 • 24 minutes 43 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus will talk about how Taylor Swift used face recognition to surveil the crowd at a recent concert, and whether that’s smart, scary, or both. Then they’ll welcome Renée DiResta, an expert on cybersecurity and online misinformation. DiResta is the lead author of a new report to the Senate Intelligence Committee on exactly how Russian operatives weaponized social media in the 2016 election, and why it may be just the beginning of a new era of global information warfare.6:45 - Interview with Renée DiResta26:09 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:Logic: My Stepdad's Huge DatasetThe Pudding: Population MountainsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/19/2018 • 34 minutes 15 seconds

At the beginning of World War II, the greatest threat to the American war effort wasn’t the Nazis or the Japanese—it was runaway inflation. The man in charge of stopping it was the country’s “price czar,” Leon Henderson. In 1942, he controlled how much coffee ordinary people could drink and how many tires they could buy. Those rules made him a nationwide villain. But would they save the country?One Year is produced by Evan Chung, Sophie Summergrad, Sam Kim, and Josh Levin.Derek John is senior supervising producer of narrative podcasts and Merritt Jacob is senior technical director.Slate Plus members get to hear more about the making of One Year. Get access to extra episodes, listen to the show without any ads, and support One Year by signing up forSlate Plusfor just $15 for your first three months.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/23/2022 • 48 minutes 45 seconds

Before the U.S. can start opening back up, states will need to put systems in place for “contact tracing,” or meticulous tracking of the disease within communities. South Korea’s extensive tracing program has all but eliminated the spread of the virus within its borders. What will it take for the U.S. to do the same?Guests: Raphael Rashid, a freelance journalist, and Dr. Mike Reid, professor at University of California, San FranciscoHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/17/2020 • 23 minutes 58 seconds

On today’s show, host April Glaser looks at the continuing battle between Tesla CEO Elon Musk and the Securities and Exchange Commision. Earlier this week, the SEC asked a judge to hold Musk in contempt for tweets he’s made about Tesla’s performance. The SEC says Musk violated a settlement he reached with the commission last year, which required him to have his tweets reviewed before sending them. Then, Will Oremus speaks with journalist Casey Newton about an investigation he published this week on the tech site The Verge. The article is headlined, “The Trauma Floor: The secret lives of Facebook moderators in America.” Newton talked to current and former employees of a moderation facility in Arizona that contracts with Facebook, about the working conditions there. And, in particular, the psychological toll of scrutinizing hundreds of Facebook posts each day that feature extreme violence, hate speech, and conspiracy theories.5:57 - Interview with Casey Newton23:23 - Don’t Close My TabsStories discussed on the show: CNN: SEC Asks Judge to Hold Musk in ContemptThe Verge: The Trauma Floor: The secret lives of Facebook moderators in AmericaWired: The Laborers Who Keep Dick Pics and Beheadings Out of Your Facebook FeedDon’t Close My Tabs:April: Mercury News: Facebook, Google Bikes Lead to Tensions with NeighborsWill: Vox: How a coat on Amazon took over a neighborhood — and then the internetPodcast production by Max JacobsYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/27/2019 • 33 minutes 23 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss some recent tech news, like the head-scratching revelation that WikiLeaks actually sent Donald Trump, Jr. Direct Messages on Twitter before and after the election, and a speech by Senator Al Franken that suggests we should regulate big tech companies more like utilities. The hosts are also joined by T. Dalton Brown from Dopamine Labs, the cofounder of an interesting and controversial startup whose mission is to help other companies make their apps and online platforms more addictive, by playing on our cognitive biases and psychological weaknesses. You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April is @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment for us, you can email as well at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/15/2017 • 48 minutes 36 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus take a look at an increasingly popular online privacy tool--that has some serious trust issues of its own. We’re talking about VPNs, or virtual private networks, and why the average user might have a very hard time figuring out which one to trust.The hosts will also look at privacy blunder number one billion from our friends at Facebook. This one involves two factor authentication, a feature to ostensibly help keep your account safer that turns out to be another good way for Facebook to keep track of you, wherever you go. Mark Zuckerberg told Congress, “you own your data”--but once you give Facebook your phone number, good luck ever taking it back.1:11 - Interview with Will Oremus24:00 - Don’t Close My TabsStories discussed on the show: Slate: Do You Trust Your VPN? Are You Sure?Don’t Close My Tabs:April: Wired: Are Men at Google Paid Less than Women? Not Really.Will: Instagram: Nathan W PylePodcast production by Max JacobsYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/06/2019 • 31 minutes 8 seconds

As of Sept. 24, there are 42 vaccines in clinical trials on humans. At least 92 others are being developed but have not yet gone to trial. For months, the world has tracked the progression of these vaccines closely, with the expectation that once one arrives on the market, we can finally start to go back to normal. But, is that true? Does the world really look much different with an effective vaccine?Guest: Dr. Paul Offit,professor of pediatrics at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.HostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/25/2020 • 24 minutes 20 seconds

As the coronavirus shut down manufacturing across California in March and April, Elon Musk only wanted one thing: to start making cars again.So when local government officials in Alameda County got in his way, Musk took the fight public, and won.Guest: Kara Swisher, co-host of the Pivot podcast.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/22/2020 • 19 minutes 8 seconds

Schoolshavespentmillionstodetectthreatsonline. Itmostlydoesn’t work.Guest: Arijit SenHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/03/2022 • 23 minutes 43 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about about a privacy invasion that’s arguably scarier than Cambridge Analytica, and why it’s not getting nearly the same amount of attention. It involves your cellphone, and its ability to track where you are at all times.The hosts are then joined by Luther Lowe, the senior VP of public policy for Yelp, a company that has had some major beef with Google’s allegedly anti-competitive behavior. They’ll talk about how Google got so big, and whether or not federal regulators might start taking action.Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/23/2018 • 41 minutes 6 seconds

Twitter is the platform of choice for politicians, journalists, academics, and many other agenda-setters. Twitter influences conversations that take place in newsrooms and statehouses. What happens if the company’s placed in the hands of a pugnacious, provocative plutocrat like Elon Musk?Guest: Will Oremus, tech reporter for the Washington PostHost: Seth StevensonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/29/2022 • 23 minutes 33 seconds

Over the weekend, Russia tested a new weapon​​—a type of missile that can fly into space and destroy a satellite in orbit.The test created thousands of pieces of debris, which will hurtle around the Earth’s orbit for years to come. What’s the real risk of the rapid increase in space junk? And is there anything to be done about it?Guest:Laura Grego, Stanton Nuclear Security Fellow at MITHost: Seth StevensonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/19/2021 • 26 minutes

The (once) third-largest cryptocurrency exchange, FTX, collapsed in stunning fashion this week, highlighting why consumers really do want regulation, and why old financial institutions remain wary of crypto.Guest: Felix Salmon, host of Slate Money, chief financial correspondent for Axios.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/13/2022 • 33 minutes 20 seconds

Two years ago, Mark Zuckerberg held up Holocaust denial as an example of the type of speech that would be protected on Facebook. The company wouldn’t take down content simply because it was incorrect. This week, Facebook reversed that stance. Is this decision the first step toward a new way of policing speech on the social network?Guest: Evelyn Douek, Lecturer at Harvard Law School and affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center for Internet & SocietyHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/16/2020 • 25 minutes 9 seconds

Yesterday, New York City announced that it would provide 140,000 free antibody tests to residents who want to know if they have been exposed to the coronavirus. And New York isn’t alone: large-scale antibody testing is ramping up around the country.But with faulty tests flooding the market and questions about whether a positive test really confers immunity are antibody tests really worth the bother?Guests: Shannon Palus, staff writer for Slate, and Dr. Natalie E. Dean, assistant professor of biostatistics at the University of Florida.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/08/2020 • 25 minutes 1 second

On today’s show, host Will Oremus will talk about the employee uprising at Google, and the changes that it and other tech companies have made to their sexual harassment policies in response. Joining him is Caroline O’Donovan, senior technology reporter for BuzzFeed News, who was there to cover the employee walkouts in person and has continued to report on the fallout from them.And then, a story that has been making headlines for months, and finally reached its culmination this week with a big announcement. That would be Amazon’s HQ2 contest—or maybe now it’s HQ2.5, or HQ2 and 3, HQ2a and HQ2b. Whatever you call it, we’ll talk about the company’s decision to open not one but two new headquarters. One will be in Arlington, Virginia, just outside DC. And the other in Long Island City, just across the East River from Manhattan. That, of course, prompted an outcry from critics around the country, not to mention all the cities that weren’t chosen. Here to help Will make sense of all this will be Tim Bartik, a Senior economist at the Upjohn Institute for Employment Research. He’s done some fascinating research on the incentives that cities offer to companies to try to get them to locate there--and whether it really pays off for their residents in the long run.2:47 - Interview with Caroline O’Donovan14:32 - Interview with Tim Bartik32:00 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:The Atlantic: The Problem with FeedbackGoFundMe: How To Help Those Impacted By The Fires In CaliforniaChico Enterprise Record: How You Can Help Camp Fire VictimsTwitter: Martha McSally For Senate (Concession Video)Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/14/2018 • 44 minutes 44 seconds

You might think of noncompete agreements as mostly limited to highly skilled, highly paid tech workers to protect trade secrets. But one-third of workers bound by noncompetes make $13/hour or less: fast-food workers, security guards, and the like.Noncompete clauses not only give employers leverage over their employees—both during and after their employment—but studies have shown the agreements are a weight on the economy, which is why the FTC is angling for a federal ban.Guest: Elizabeth Wilkins, director of the Office of Policy Planning, Federal Trade CommissionHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/13/2023 • 25 minutes 12 seconds

Over the last week, Facebook and Mark Zuckerberg have been under fire for declining to fact-check political ads. But a former insider says this is the wrong debate to be having—and it misses a more fundamental problem: Facebook’s business model itself.Guests: Yael Eisenstat, former head of global elections integrity operations at Facebook and Charlie Warzel, an opinion writer at the New York Times.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/25/2019 • 21 minutes 6 seconds

This week, three of the leading developers of facial-recognition technology announced they would stop, or at least pause, selling this technology to police. The decision stems from evidence of racial bias inherent in these tools. For the researchers who first uncovered the deep-seated issues with these tools, it’s a watershed moment. Will facial-recognition technology continue to grow unchecked? Or will this week’s announcements result in lasting change?Slate Plus members get bonus segments and ad-free podcast feeds. Sign up now. Guest: Deb Raji, technology fellow at the AI Now Institute.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/12/2020 • 22 minutes 39 seconds

In this episode, Aaron Mak talks about federal law enforcement's use of facial recognition technology with Jake Laperruque. He’s Senior Counsel at The Constitution Project, which is part of the Project on Government Oversight. According to The Washington Post, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and FBI officials have been partnering with state DMVs to scan through millions of drivers license photos. Jake explains the civil liberties implications of the practice and suggests regulations that might provide some level of oversight. After the interview, Aaron talks to Slate’s own Shannon Palus for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My Tabs. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/10/2019 • 34 minutes 30 seconds

Not long ago, the QAnon conspiracy theory seemed to have lost momentum. Social media mentions had decreased. 8chan had gone offline. But since March, fueled by the pandemic and social media giants, the conspiracy has taken on new life.What’s responsible for the rapid uptake of the movement? And now that QAnon has spilled over to the mainstream, how far can it go?Guest:Ali Breland, reporter at Mother JonesHostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/28/2020 • 20 minutes 22 seconds

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10/16/2019 • 41 minutes 28 seconds

Are we facing down yet another COVID wave right now? Does it matter?Guest: Katherine Wu, staff writer for The AtlanticHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/22/2022 • 25 minutes 30 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about the Senate’s stand on net neutrality and why Congress is set to renew a major piece of internet government mass surveillance legislation. The hosts are joined by Siva Vaidhyanathan, a professor of Media Studies at University of Virginia, to talk about Facebook’s big news feed changes and what they might mean for the way we read the news and talk to one another online. And on Don’t Close My Tabs: Google’s gorilla problem and “authentic” Instagram ads.Don’t Close My Tabs:The Verge: Google ‘fixed’ its racist algorithm by removing gorillas from its image-labeling techThe Atlantic: The Strange Brands in Your Instagram FeedPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/17/2018 • 36 minutes 15 seconds

There are at least 17 different “vaccine passport” initiatives underway in the United States. And leaked documents reveal that the Biden administration fears that “a chaotic and ineffective vaccine credential approach could hamper our pandemic response by undercutting health safety measures, slowing economic recovery, and undermining public trust and confidence.”Without coordination, a chaotic and ineffective approach seems likely. So, what can, and what should, the Biden administration do to avoid this outcome? And what are the risks and rewards of coordinating an effort that divides Americans along the lines of vaccination status?Guest:Dan Diamond, health policy and politics reporter for the Washington PostHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/02/2021 • 26 minutes 56 seconds

It’s hard to put a number on it but judging from the number of videos emerging online, there are more and more contraband cell phones finding their way into the hands of people in prison, who use them to record TikTok dances, take online courses, and alert the outside world to what’s happening on the inside.Guest: Keri Blakinger, criminal justice reporter at the Los Angeles Times, author of Corrections in Ink.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/12/2023 • 34 minutes 15 seconds

For the last four months, federal and state eviction moratoria have kept Americans in their apartments, even if they couldn’t pay rent. Now, with financial relief in question, and moratoria set to expire, the first of the month might look very different for millions of Americans.Guests:Emily, a resident of Chicago’s Northwest SideMark Durakovic, principal at Kass ManagementPeter Hepburn, analyst at Princeton’s Eviction LabHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/31/2020 • 25 minutes 33 seconds

Like countless venture-funded start-ups before it, Substack is “disrupting” the media industry. The newsletter service is siphoning off high-profile talent with a promise of independence and bigger paychecks. But the platform’s influence might reach far beyond the media. Will Substack change the way we think about online creators and their audiences? Can it create a new kind of relationship between them?Guest:Charlie Warzel, writer of Galaxy BrainHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/16/2021 • 25 minutes 2 seconds

Recently a special delegation of senior Trump administration officials arrived in the U.K. Their mission? To convince prime minister Boris Johnson to bar Huawei from their new 5G network.Why is the U.S. so keen to influence Britain’s decision on 5G? And now that the U.K is officially withdrawing from the European Union, how will they manage competing pressures from the U.S. and China?Guest: Dan Sabbagh, defense and security editor at the Guardian.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/31/2020 • 20 minutes 27 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about what’s happening new with the proposed $3.9 billion dollar merger between Sinclair, the largest television station owner in the country and also happens to have an overt tilt in favor of Trump, and Tribune media. Thanks to an unexpected announcement from the FCC last week, that merger may be doomed. The hosts are also joined by Claire Wardle, the executive director of First Draft, a nonprofit news literacy and fact-checking outfit with Harvard University. Wardle works hands-on with journalists and newsrooms around the world to find and responsibly debunk disinformation. They talk to Wardle about what we should be concerned about as the midterm elections approach, how false stories spread on social media to confuse readers, disenfranchise voters, or incite violence—even when Russian agents aren’t working behind the scenes. Don’t Close My TabsThe Atlantic: Artificial Intelligence Shows Why Atheism Is UnpopularTwitter: Shane Goldmacher Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/25/2018 • 42 minutes 14 seconds

Recently, China restricted video game playing to just three hours a week for its young people: 8pm to 9pm, Friday through Sunday.And that’s not the only change. Over the last few months, private tutors, diehard celebrity fans, and tech giants have all faced fresh restrictions from Beijing. What’s behind this new wave of crackdowns?Guest: Brenda Goh, technology correspondent for ReutersHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/17/2021 • 18 minutes 33 seconds

Over the last month, North Americans have seen record-breaking heat, droughts, wildfires, and floods. The science is clear: we are living through the effects of climate change. Now scientists are trying to answer: is this the new normal?Guest: Daniel Swain, climate scientist at UCLAHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/16/2021 • 24 minutes 23 seconds

The pandemic changed the way abortion care could be provided online. So what happens now?Guest: Dr. Mai Fleming, family medicine physician and Fellow with Physicians for Reproductive Health.Host: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/06/2022 • 20 minutes 6 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss the news that Tumblr will soon be banning all adult content on its site -- this in response to some instances of child pornography that got it suspended from Apple’s App Store. Hundreds of thousands of Tumblr users are upset, and the plan appears to be backfiring.Then we’re excited to bring you a pair of interviews today, with two people who have emerged as leading critics of Facebook—one from the outside, and one from within, right before he left the company. We’ll talk first with former Facebook employee Mark S. Luckie about what he calls Facebook’s “black people problem.” Those words came from a memo that he wrote shortly before leaving the company last month, and which he published to the world after he left. Then we’ll talk with someone who’s been thinking through problems at Facebook for many years--and recently discovered that his organization was also a target of the company’s controversial “opposition research” PR campaign. Rashad Robinson is the president of Color of Change, a progressive civil rights group that was among several nonprofits Facebook tried to discredit by highlighting their ties to the liberal financier George Soros. In the wake of that story, Robinson met last week with Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg. 8:15 - Interview with Mark Luckie16:00 - Interview with Rashad Robinson35:20 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:The New York Times: Philippine Journalist, a Thorn to Duterte, Turns Herself In to Face ChargesTwitter: Natasha ViannaPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/05/2018 • 44 minutes 24 seconds

Recently, Facebook filed a lawsuit against a little-known Israeli spyware firm called NSO Group. Facebook is accusing NSO of supplying technology that enabled a hack of 1,400 WhatsApp accounts.But NSO’s reach goes far beyond a few thousand phones. Governments around the world purchase its powerful technology. Some use it to “lawfully hack” the devices of criminals and terrorists. But others use it more broadly, tracking the communications of activists, journalists, lawyers, and dissidents.What does the WhatsApp lawsuit mean for the spyware industry? And why are governments lining up to buy these products?Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/15/2019 • 22 minutes 11 seconds

After years of careful planning and public spats, Apple and Epic—the maker of Fortnite—have spent the last three weeks in court, fighting over the future of mobile gaming. What happens if, for once, Apple loses?Guest: Elizabeth Lopatto, deputy editor at the VergeHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/28/2021 • 22 minutes 25 seconds

She wanted to be an icon for working women. What went wrong?Guest: Sheera FrenkelHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/12/2022 • 28 minutes 31 seconds

Between April and June of this year, Zillow bought nearly 4,000 homes. And they had no intention of holding onto them. The plan was to flip houses, often and at scale, joining the ranks of companies like Opendoor and Offerpad, also known as iBuyers.So, why did Zillow put their plans on pause last weekend? Can online middlemen really change the way we buy and sell houses?Guests:Tony Santos, homeownerPatrick Clark, reporter at BloombergHost: Henry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/22/2021 • 23 minutes 24 seconds

The last month has seen a steady drip of leaked documents from inside Facebook, each seemingly more damning than the next. This week, the whistleblower behind the leaks revealed her identity.What motivates Frances Haugen? And can she do real damage to the social media giant?Guest: Jeff Horwitz, tech reporter at the Wall Street Journal.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/08/2021 • 26 minutes 41 seconds

A recent advertisement for crypto.com, featuring Matt Damon, was met with widespread mockery online. But Damon’s ad is only the most visible example of a much broader—and more insidious—trend of celebrity cryptocurrency endorsements. Is the partnership between crypto and Hollywood really dangerous? And what separates the trend from run-of-the-mill salesmanship?Guests: Jacob Silverman, staff writer for the New Republic and Ben McKenzie, actor, writer, and director.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/21/2022 • 19 minutes 24 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about the Facebook privacy scandal that won’t go away. They’ll also touch on some new data from our employer, Slate, that illustrates how Facebook is pulling back from the news business. Then, the hosts will be joined by our colleague Mark Joseph Stern, who covers courts and the law. They’ll discuss some recent tech-related Supreme Court cases, and how the court’s stance toward technology and privacy could change with the retirement of Justice Anthony Kennedy.Don’t Close My TabsReal Life Mag: Big and Slow: How can we represent the threats that are too vast to see? What if civilization itself is one of them?Vanity Fair: Sorry to Bother YouDirector Boots Riley Takes a Ride Through Oakland’s Changing LandscapePodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/04/2018 • 39 minutes 30 seconds

This week, the world’s largest tech companies posted their quarterly earnings. And—unlike most other companies in the world—things aren’t looking so bad. With the global economy reeling, and people sheltering indoors, the tech giants have an opportunity to reshape the way we live. Don’t expect them to wait on the sidelines.Guest: Elizabeth Dwoskin, Silicon Valley correspondent at the Washington PostLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/01/2020 • 20 minutes 35 seconds

For pregnant women in the U.S., there are plenty of reasons to mistrust the medical establishment. Mortality rates are high compared to other western countries, and one-third of women in the U.S. give birth by C-section. It’s no wonder that many women turn to the internet for alternatives.This week, the story of one woman who was drawn into a network of private Facebook groups dedicated to the idea of ‘freebirth,’ or unassisted birth. And what happens when the misinformation shared in these private groups has real-life consequences.Guest: Brandy Zadrozny, reporter for NBC News. You can read her reporting on ‘freebirth’ here.This episode originally aired in March 2020HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/18/2020 • 23 minutes 34 seconds

The economy is doing well almost every but in tech, where headlines about layoffs have been replaced with news about Silicon Valley Bank’s demise. The collapse of “the central artery for the tech industry” looks like the end of an era. Where do venture capitalists, start-ups—and the industry writ large—go now?Guest: Priya Anand, reporter at Bloomberg covering venture capital and start-ups.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Podcast production by Evan Campbelland Patrick Fort.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/17/2023 • 31 minutes 44 seconds

Social media makes mental health information accessible. But it's not a perfect solution.Guest: Lindsay Lee WallaceHost: Mary C. CurtisLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/01/2022 • 30 minutes 14 seconds

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02/06/2019 • 44 minutes 17 seconds

One week in as head honcho of Twitter and Elon Musk is in a tight spot: how do you balance the desires of advertisers with your ostensible zeal for free speech? How do you make something for which you’ve already overpaid turn a profit? How do you convince Stephen King to pony up for a blue check?Guest: Alex Kirshner, contributing writer at Slate.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Podcast production by Madeline Ducharme.ThanksAvast.com! Learn more about Avast One atAvast.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/04/2022 • 31 minutes 51 seconds

Every week, it feels like some new piece of coronavirus information dominates the headlines. Mysterious symptoms, changing government directives. This constant trickle of updates can quickly turn into a flood.How should normal people interpret this deluge of data?Guest: Emily Oster, professor of economics at Brown University and co-founder of COVID-Explained.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/15/2020 • 20 minutes 36 seconds

One state wants to stop people from buying one. But can electric vehicles be stopped?Guest: Ryan CornellHost: Sonari GlintonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/17/2022 • 24 minutes 19 seconds

Ransomware attacks--when hackers break into digital systems, encrypt files, and demand payment to unlock them, isn’t new. But 2020 has seen an explosion in the frequency of these hacks, which are often targeted at schools and hospitals. Who is behind this recent spate of attacks? And is there anything schools and hospitals can do to protect themselves?Guests:Jessica Beyer, teacher at Baltimore County Public SchoolsDave Uberti, cyber security reporter at the Wall Street JournalHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/04/2020 • 23 minutes 42 seconds

Over the last year, the Australian government has been waging a quiet war against Facebook and Google. Through a new law, it plans to force the big tech companies to pay news outlets in exchange for linking to their sites.Will this new law have the intended effect? Or will it set a dangerous precedent that cedes even more power over to the tech giants?Guest:JR Hennessy, editor at Business Insider AustraliaHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/26/2021 • 23 minutes 33 seconds

Trump's Truth Social network was supposed to be the right's answer to Twitter. What happens to the company if Elon takes over?Guest: Drew Harwell, reporter for the Washington PostHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/15/2022 • 21 minutes 39 seconds

Technology is transforming the creative economy and ideas about what "art" even is.Guest: Drew HarwellHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/09/2022 • 29 minutes 10 seconds

Vladimir Putin has always regarded the internet with suspicion.Now, with western tech companies pulling out of Russia and control of the war narrative slipping, he sees an opening. Will Putin wall off Russia from the rest of the digital world?Guests:Yana Pashaeva, Moscow-based journalistJustin Sherman, fellow at the Atlantic Council’s Cyber Statecraft InitiativeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/11/2022 • 31 minutes 49 seconds

Companies like Uber, Lyft, and DoorDash have always argued that their workers are independent contractors, not employees. This distinction has been crucial in their rise from startups to multi-billion-dollar companies.On Tuesday, Californians sided with these companies by approving Prop 22, a ballot measure that enshrines workers’ non-employee status. Why did progressive Californians side with Big Tech? And will the rest of the country follow California’s lead?Guest: Sam Harnett, Tech and Labor reporter at KQEDHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/06/2020 • 22 minutes 56 seconds

A recent poll showed that about a third of parents of younger children would get their kids vaccinated, a third would not, and the final third said they wanted to wait and see how the vaccines worked.Public health officials are asking: what will it take to convince that third group that now is the time to vaccinate?Guests:Julie HamillDr. Aaron Carroll, pediatrician and professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of MedicineHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/12/2021 • 28 minutes 25 seconds

This episode originally aired in January 2021The story of how GameStop went from the verge of a bankruptcy to a $15 billion market value isn’t an easy one to wrap your head around. But it helps to go back to the beginning; almost three years ago, in a subreddit called r/wallstreetbets.Guests:Brandon Kochkodin, reporter at BloombergLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/26/2021 • 24 minutes 59 seconds

Conservative lawmakers in Florida and Texas are taking aim at content moderation on social media, with implications that go far beyond just the platforms.Guest: Mark Joseph SternHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/23/2022 • 33 minutes 13 seconds

A conversation with one of the smartest First Amendment lawyers in the country.Guest: Jameel JafferHost: Lizzie O'LearyThanksAvast.com!Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/08/2022 • 26 minutes 32 seconds

New York Times technology reporter Mike Issac discusses his new book Super Pumped: The Battle For Uber, which traces Uber’s rapid rise and fall under co-founder Travis Kalanick. He and host Aaron Mak talk about Uber’s fraught relationship with the media, how public perception of the company enabled one of its competitors to stave off extinction, the necessary paranoia required to investigate the company, and how Kalanick’s particular style of leadership helped transform transportation around the world – for better or worse.After the interview Shannon Palus joins the show for this week’s edition of “Don’t Close My Tabs.”Podcast production by Justin D. Wright.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/04/2019 • 36 minutes 19 seconds

In the wake of the killing of Michael Brown in 2014, and the national protests that followed, many believed that video shared on social media, along with footage from body cameras, would reshape the relationship between police and citizens. Six years later, one thing is clear: It didn’t work. Can viral videos really hold power to account?And why do we so often put our faith in technological solutions to solve societal problems?Guests:Bijan Stephen, reporter at the VergeEthan Zuckerman, formerdirector, the Center for Civic Media, MITLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/04/2020 • 24 minutes 10 seconds

The U.S. civil court system doesn’t get as much attention as the criminal courts, but it would be hard to overstate its importance. In 2018, for example, 47 percent of respondents to a Pew survey said they had dealt with the system in one way or another; from eviction proceedings, to debt collection, to child-support modifications.What happened when the pandemic upended such an important pillar of the justice system? Did new technologies fix existing problems—or just create new ones?Guest: Qudsiya Naqui, officer at the Pew Charitable TrustHost: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/10/2021 • 21 minutes 43 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus take a deep look into gerrymandering and the highly specialized mapping technology that has allowed for political parties - especially the GOP since 2010 - to drastically change the way political districts are drawn and controlled. The hosts are joined by David Daley, a senior fellow at FairVote and the author of Ratf**ked: The True Story Behind the Secret Plan to Steal America's Democracy. This interview was recorded on March 13th, so no news or tabs this week, but we’ll be back to our regular schedule next week. Podcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/21/2018 • 26 minutes 32 seconds

The FBI warned that Russia would use deepfakes to support its invasion of Ukraine. Are they missing the real threat?Guest: Noah Giansiracusa, professor of math and data science at Bentley University.Host: Seth StevensonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/25/2022 • 24 minutes 11 seconds

In 2013, Anna Wiener moved from New York to San Francisco to join the city’s booming tech scene. Over the course of four years, she worked at three companies: an e-bookstartup, a data analytics company, and an open-source software platform. Then, her infatuation with the tech industry took a turn.On this week’s show, an insider’s perspective on the intoxicating promise and disappointment of Silicon Valley during the mid-decade boom.Guest: Anna Wiener: author of Uncanny Valley and contributing writer for the New Yorker.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/17/2020 • 24 minutes 3 seconds

Facebook’s failure to contain the spread of dangerous misinformation is no secret. For years, the company has pledged publicly to fix the problem. But in the wake of the Capitol riots, it’s clear that there’s more work to be done. So, why isn’t the social media giant using its powerful AI to contain hate and lies?Guest:Karen Hao, senior AI reporter at MIT Technology ReviewHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/19/2021 • 27 minutes 6 seconds

Over the last month, as coronavirus spread across China, Xi Jinping’s vast surveillance and censorship infrastructure went into high gear. But with outrage growing over the death of a beloved doctor, and surveillance technology under strain, the virus is exposing the limits of the Chinese Communist Party’s techno-authoritarian network.Guest: Josh Chin, Wall Street Journal reporter covering Chinese politics and techLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/14/2020 • 20 minutes 21 seconds

Microsoft has been testing out their new artificial intelligence on their long-ridiculed search engine Bing. The results? A chatbot that lies brazenly and confidently, and has a penchant for manipulation. What are the risks and rewards of letting bots loose on the world?Guest: Drew Harwell, Washington Post tech reporter covering artificial intelligenceHost: Emily PeckIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/24/2023 • 31 minutes 2 seconds

Hong Kong's zero-COVID policy got enviable results, but inadvertently set the stage for disaster. What will it take to change course?Guest: Dr. Karen Grépin, Associate Professor at the School of Public Health at the University of Hong KongHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/18/2022 • 24 minutes 25 seconds

One company’s software is helping set prices for apartments across the country. But when does an algorithm telling landlords how much to charge—by drawing on property data—cross the line from “handy tool” to “illegal price-fixing”?Guest: Heather Vogell, reporter with ProPublicaHost: Lizzie O'LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/21/2022 • 34 minutes 23 seconds

Last week, in response to protests by farmers outside New Delhi, India, the government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi restricted access to the mobile web in areas where the protests were unfolding. The move is the latest in the Indian government’s long history of throttling internet access and censoring speech online.Why is the Modi government increasingly shutting down the internet and stifling digital dissent? And what does the party’s history of internet shutdowns tell us about India’s future?Guest:Pranav Dixit, correspondent for Buzzfeed NewsHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/05/2021 • 22 minutes 50 seconds

How did Intuit build its TurboTax empire?Guest: Justin Elliott, reporter for ProPublicaHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/17/2022 • 22 minutes 36 seconds

It’s been 22 years since the federal government last brought a meaningful legal challenge to a big tech company. Back then, when the Justice Department sued Microsoft, the outcome changed the direction of the company for years to come. Now, the Department of Justice is coming for Google. Can the search giant resist this challenge to its role as the gatekeeper of the internet?Guest: Tony Romm, technology reporter at the Washington PostHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/23/2020 • 23 minutes 59 seconds

Following their victory in Staten Island, the Amazon Labor Union is still facing an uphill battle. Both the company and the union are closely watching the organizing vote at a warehouse outside of Albany, NY.Guest: Noam Scheiber, labor reporter for the New York Times.Host: Lizzie O'LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/14/2022 • 31 minutes 8 seconds

In this episode Shannon Palus learns about personalized guns, sometimes referred to as “smart” guns. Her guest is Cassandra Crifasi, Deputy Director at the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy & Research. More specifically, Crifasi is an epidemiologist focused on policies, procedures, and practices that prevent injury. She says personalized firearms are great for keeping kids and thieves away from guns, but they do nothing to prevent homicides and suicides by gun owners themselves. After the interview Aaron Mak joins the show for this week’s edition of “Don’t Close My Tabs.”Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/14/2019 • 35 minutes 13 seconds

Responding to protests around the country, the New York City Council passed the POST Act: Public Oversight of Surveillance Technology last week. The bill will require the NYPD to reveal the extent of their surveillance technology deployed within the city. For the first time, New Yorkers will get a clear picture of the technology being employed to watch and trace them. Experts say to expect the worst.Guest: Ángel S. Díaz, counsel at the Brennan Center for Justice.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/26/2020 • 18 minutes 32 seconds

There's still a lot unknown about COVID's new wonder drug.Guest: Rachel Gutman-WeiHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/10/2022 • 26 minutes 26 seconds

There was a time—back when Steve Jobs ran Apple and Mark Zuckerberg was in his early days as Facebook’s CEO— that Apple and Facebook were friends.. Or, at worst, frenemies. But as the companies grew, so did two competing views of how the internet should work.What led to the rift between Mark Zuckerberg and Tim Cook? And will Apple’s new privacy rules undercut Facebook’s vision for the internet?Guest:Mike Isaac, tech reporter at the New York TimesHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/30/2021 • 23 minutes 35 seconds

This week, workers at Amazon, Whole Foods, and Instacart have announced mass strikes across the country. Though demand for these services is high, pay and protection is low.What exactly do we owe to the delivery workers at the front lines of the pandemic? And with these companies hiring in record numbers, can the strikes succeed?Guests: Heidi Carrico, founding member of theGig Workers Collective, andJohana Bhuiyan, tech accountability reporter at the Los Angeles Times.HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/03/2020 • 18 minutes 45 seconds

When Minnesota's Operation Safety Net, a coordinated effort among nine Minnesota law enforcement agencies, was announced in February 2021, its mission was to ensure the trial of Derek Chauvin would proceed peacefully. It also promised to protect people's right to gather and demonstrate peacefully.Did Operation Safety Net keep its promise?Guest: Tate Ryan-Mosley, reporter for MIT Tech reviewHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/13/2022 • 21 minutes 40 seconds

This episode originally aired in July 2021.Last year, North Americans saw record-breaking heat, droughts, wildfires, and floods. The science is clear: we are living through the effects of climate change. Now scientists are trying to answer: is this the new normal?Guest: Daniel Swain, climate scientist at UCLALearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/19/2022 • 25 minutes 7 seconds

In this episode April Glaser is joined once again by guest co-host Meredith Broussard, a data journalism professor at NYU and author of Artificial Unintelligence: How Computers Misunderstand the World.First, historian Mar Hicks joins the show to talk about the tech industry’s long-time aversion to organized labor and how that’s clashing with recent worker actions at major tech companies like Google and Uber.Then Alexis Madrigal joins the hosts to talk about his recent piece in the Atlantic called “The End of Cyberspace” where he argues that the 90s dream of an unregulated internet is starting to fade. According to Madrigal, it’s time to create a new alluring vision for what cyberspace should be. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/08/2019 • 42 minutes 59 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss news news that the french government has fined Google close to $57 million for violating the new European privacy laws that went into effect in 2018. This comes as news that the Federal Trade Commision here in the US is considering levying a record-breaking fine against Facebook for violations to their users privacy following the Cambridge Analytica mess. Corporate fines may well be a theme this year following the great clean up after the 2016 election went awry And then we’re going to talk about Juul, the multibillion dollar e-cigarette company that is dominating the new industry. It’s been quite the year for Juul. Their offices were raided by the FDA. They at least provisionally agreed to stop selling certain fruity flavors of tobacco clearly popular with kids. They accepted a $12.8 billion dollar investment from Altria, the tobacco company that owns Marlboro. And most recently, announced, the vaping brand launched a new $10 million national TV marketing campaign.To help make sense of the company that controls an estimated 70% of the e-cigarette market we’ll be joined by Nitasha Tiku, a senior writer for Wired.Don’t Close My Tabs:April: Bloomberg: Corporate America Is Getting Ready to Monetize Climate ChangeWill: The Huffington Post: Jack Dorsey Has No Clue What He WantsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. This episode is brought to you by Slack, the collaboration hub for work. Learn more at Slack.com.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/23/2019 • 41 minutes 43 seconds

Just weeks before the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, a Nebraska woman and her daughter were charged with performing an illegal abortion, thanks to information that law enforcement uncovered by going through their Facebook accounts.Guest: Johana Bhuiyan, senior reporter on tech and surveillance for The GuardianHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/10/2023 • 28 minutes 34 seconds

The tech-laden, luxury bassinet “Snoo” has been presented as preventing Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, helping babies sleep longer, and a totally reasonable way to spend $1,700. Is any of that true?Guest: Kate Taylor, senior features correspondent for Business InsiderJohn Collins, Lizzie’s husband.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/19/2023 • 34 minutes 45 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about the midterm elections coming up in November -- and whether Silicon Valley companies are ready for the deluge of disinformation -- whether from Russia, Macedonia, or right here in the U.S.The hosts are joined by Paige Panter, a product manager in Silicon Valley who is also a volunteer with the Tech Workers Coalition, a group that’s been active since 2014, but more recently has acted as a kind of communications hub for people who work in the technology industry to organize to make demands of their employers. They discuss this recent wave of tech employee activism, how it got started, and what could come down the line.Don’t Close My TabsThe New York Times: San Francisco Restaurant Can't Afford Waiters. So They're Putting Diners to Work.SF Chronicle: Silicon Valley bus drivers sleep in parking lots. They may have to make way for developmentWired: How A Child Moves Through A Broken Immigration SystemPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/27/2018 • 42 minutes 4 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser are joined once again by their Slate colleague Mark Joseph Stern to make sense of a what a Kavanaugh-court might mean for the internet going forward.They are also joined by music and technology writer David Turner, who pens the weekly newsletter Penny Fractions, which is all about the economics and culture of music streaming. They’ll talk to him about how streaming works for artists and if there’s anything they can do to push back against the streaming giants like Spotify, Apple, and YouTube. And they’ll also talk about some of the surprising ways in which streaming is changing music itself.13:24 - Interview with David Turner33:57 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: The New York Times: How Much Hotter Is Your Hometown Than When You Were BornBuzzFeed News: How Duterte Used Facebook to Fuel the Philippine Drug WarThe New Yorker: The Shaming of Geoffrey Owens and the Inability to See Actors as Laborers TooPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/05/2018 • 43 minutes 22 seconds

LYMErix, the first vaccine against Lyme, was pulled from the market amid poor sales and pressure from the public. Now, over 20 years later, a new vaccine is in late-stage trials.Guest: Cassandra WillyardHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/04/2022 • 20 minutes 55 seconds

Roughly 95 percent of advanced semiconductor chip manufacturing happens in Taiwan, leaving the U.S. vulnerable to supply chain shocks and national security threats. Is the Biden administration’s $280 billion bill, signed in August last year, enough to boost domestic chip manufacturing?Guest: Don Clark, freelance reporter specializing on chips and enterprise tech.Host: Emily PeckIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/08/2023 • 28 minutes 41 seconds

Since the beginning of the pandemic, Spanish-speaking voters in Florida have been exposed to a steady uptick in falsities and conspiracy theories. This misinformation is shared in WhatsApp groups, Facebook groups, and YouTube channels, then amplified by enormously popular local radio stations. Now there are signs that the flood of misinformation is having an effect. Groups that voted Democrat in 2016 seem to be leaning to the right.Will this onslaught of misinformation tilt the Latino vote in Florida? And if so, what does that mean for Florida’s 29 electoral votes?Guest: Eduardo Gamarra, professor of politics and international relations at Florida International University.HostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/02/2020 • 19 minutes 57 seconds

For many white-collar workers, the full-time work from home era is coming to an end. Some are going back into offices five days a week. Many others will be expected to split the week between home and the office.As the new rules are laid down, office workers are asking themselves: do we want work to go back to the way it was? Or is it time, finally, to try something different?Guest: Brigid Schulte, director of the Better Life Lab at New AmericaHostHenry GrabarLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/09/2021 • 29 minutes 5 seconds

Host Aaron Mak discusses with journalist Nithin Coca his attempt to abstain from using any Google products in his daily life. They discuss why he did it, the useful alternatives he found for specific apps, the quirks of using different tools abroad, and the surprising benefits he found in starting over. They also speculate on whether or not a normal consumer could sustainably do the same thing, and what that means for the state of the industry.After the interview, host Aaron Mak joins co-host Shannon Palus for this week’s edition of “Don’t Close My Tabs.”Podcast production by Justin D. Wright.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/18/2019 • 42 minutes 13 seconds

According to the Justice Department, there’s a right way — and a wrong way — to be a hacker.Guest: Josephine WolffHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/03/2022 • 25 minutes 37 seconds

At this year’s annual UN conference on climate change, they are discussing “climate reparations,” wherein the rich countries that grew their wealth burning fossil fuels pay money to poorer and more vulnerable countries. It sounds sensible, but is the UN capable of administering something like this? And how much money are we talking here?Guest: Vijay Vaitheeswaran, global energy and climate innovation editor at The Economist.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.ThanksAvast.com! Learn more about Avast One atAvast.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/18/2022 • 33 minutes 10 seconds

Facebook’s first crack at the metaverse has a problem: kids. Underage users seem to be flooding Horizon Worlds, potentially putting themselves at risk.Is Meta doomed to repeat Facebook’s mistakes?Guest: Will Oremus, technology news analysis writer for the Washington Post.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/11/2022 • 26 minutes 21 seconds

In this episode April Glaser talks to Chris Urmson, CEO of Aurora, a company that builds the technology for self-driving cars. Urmson offers a timeline for when we might see autonomous vehicles on the road and lists the different hurdles the industry still needs to overcome. According to Urmson, driverless cars shouldn’t require a lot of extra infrastructure or government funding. Instead, they should work within our existing system.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/13/2019 • 27 minutes 15 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss Elon Musk’s other, other project with their Slate colleague Henry Grabar. Not space travel, not electric cars, but the Boring Company, which is working on a tunneling project in Los Angeles that would bring a new type of transportation to an area plagued by traffic. Musk announced over the weekend that the first tunnel will be open to the public later this year.They’ll also dig into never-ending battle to rid Facebook of disinformation—particularly the kind that can disenfranchise, confuse, or stoke hatred in voters. Last Friday, the Department of Justice unsealed a criminal complaint against a Russian woman accused of running an operation on behalf of the Kremlin-connected Internet Research Agency. The operation had been working to deepen America’s political divisions and muddle its upcoming midterm elections.April and Will are also joined by Kate Black, Global Privacy Officer and Senior Counsel at 23andMe, the genetic testing company. Sites like 23andMe and Ancestry.com have been in the spotlight lately after Senator Elizabeth Warren made public the results of her DNA test in a video last week. And earlier this year, when the capture of the Golden State Killer was aided by a genealogy website. The hosts ask Black about who really owns your data, who gets to see it—and what the company will say if law enforcement comes asking for it.13:45 - Interview with Kate Black23:53 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:The Root: The Wildly Unregulated Practice of Undercover Cops Friending People on FacebookWired: An Alternative History of Silicon Valley DisruptionPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/24/2018 • 36 minutes 1 second

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about how Google has been tracking and storing your location—even after you’ve asked it not to. Then they review some of the disturbing security news out of DEF CON, the annual hacker conference in Las Vegas, including a demonstration in which an 11-year-old managed to hack a voting machine in minutes.The hosts are joined by Dana Hull, a reporter for Bloomberg News, who covers the electric-car company Tesla and the space transportation company SpaceX. What those companies have in common, of course, is their CEO, the enigmatic Elon Musk. Will and April ask her what to make of Musk’s latest machinations, including his surprise bid to turn Tesla back into a private company.Don’t Close My Tabs: Huffington Post:The Story Behind the Story That Created a Political Nightmare for FacebookThe Washington Post: A Small-Town Couple Left Behind a Stolen Painting Worth Over 100 Million Dollars - And a Big MysteryPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/15/2018 • 46 minutes 21 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss the ongoing fallout at Facebook over the company’s decision to hire a conservative PR firm to surface opposition research in order to attack Facebook’s nonprofit critics by highlighting their funding ties to the liberal financier George Soros, playing into an untrue and anti-Semitic popular right wing trope. As internal and external turmoil continues to rile major American technology companies, their employee are organizing for serious change. Hosts dig into what that’s accomplished so far and what continued employee pressure and mounting labor actions means down the line.Then, an interview with Antonio Regalado, a senior editor at the MIT Technology Review, on a story he broke Sunday night: the very first gene-edited babies were born this month in China. The trio discuss the history of gene-editing technology and the debate about using it on humans. To some, gene-editing is a form of medicine, like a vaccination. To others, it’s a form of enhancement. How easy is this to do? And will we have a future where the health of tomorrow’s children, or those whose parents can afford it, will be determined before their children are even born?14:13 - Interview with Antonio Regalado32:02 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:The New Yorker: Exploding Mojitos: The First “Sonic Attacks” Targeting American Diplomats in Cuba May Have Taken Place Thirty Years AgoThe New York Times: A Business with No EndPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/28/2018 • 40 minutes 43 seconds

On today’s show, host Will Oremus will discuss the fallout from last week’s New York Times expose about Facebook with the company’s former Security Chief Alex Stamos. The Times story was headlined “Delay, Deny and Deflect: How Facebook’s Leaders Leaned Out in Crisis.” Stamos has been at the center of this story both as a critic and an advocate. The story has revolved partly around reports that Mark Zuckerberg and Sheryl Sandberg stifled or downplayed his revelations that their platform was still not free from Russian meddling months after the 2016 election. We’ll get his side of the story, as well as his perspective on Facebook’s missteps, and what he thinks the public and the media get wrong about the company. We’ll also talk about what some solutions to its problems might look like, including, potentially, government regulations.2:15 - Interview with Alex Stamos37:53 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs:Slate: Trapped in the Fire ZoneThe New York Times: Are You Sitting Down? Standing Desks Are Overrated. Podcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/21/2018 • 47 minutes 46 seconds

Twenty-six words defined the internet as we know it today. What happens if they’re deleted?Guest: Jeff KosseffHost: Lizzie O'LearyThe Twenty-Six Words That Created the InternetLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/07/2022 • 30 minutes 28 seconds

The continent's deadly heat wave is only the tip of the melting iceberg.Guest: Henry GrabarHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/22/2022 • 28 minutes 7 seconds

Twitter has been a lot of things—where you posted your lunch, where you met your people, where you were subjected to a harassment campaign. Now, as Elon Musk prepares to take the reins, where is it headed?Guest: Will Oremus, technology reporter for the Washington Post.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/28/2022 • 42 minutes 41 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser talk about the announcement that Amazon would raise the minimum wage for its US workers to 15 dollars an hour. While Jeff Bezos may be receiving praise for the move this week, another enigmatic tech CEO is facing retribution. Elon Musk has agreed to settle with the SEC following tweets he made about potentially taking the company private and will step down from Tesla’s board.Net neutrality is also back in the news: California Governor Jerry Brown signed a bill on Sunday to implement net neutrality protections in the state starting next year. But within 30 minutes of Brown’s signing, the Justice Department announced it would be suing the state of California to prevent circumventing the federal net neutrality repeal.And the headaches continue for Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook... Last week it was announced that a massive security breach to the social media site allowed for hackers to take control of upwards of 50 million accounts. Facebook does not yet know who the culprits are.The hosts are then joined by Katherine Maher, the executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation, best known for, well, Wikipedia: the fifth most popular website on the planet. Maher talks to Will and April about how it all works; how a community of millions of volunteer editors are able to pull fact from fiction, how a site dedicated to trying to be correct deals with false news, how it deals with harassment within its editor community, its changing relationship with Google, and why diversity is important in writing the web’s massive nonprofit encyclopedia. 17:04 - Interview with Katherine Maher47:15 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: Slate: The Temptation of Apple NewsPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/03/2018 • 56 minutes 22 seconds

April Glaser is joined by Gizmodo investigative reporter, Kashmir Hill, to talk about an ambitious British proposal to regulate content on social media sites. Then they discuss Airbnb’s efforts to kick White Nationalists off its platform ahead of a national summit in Tennessee.After that they talk to Pat Brown, CEO and founder of Impossible Foods, about his company’s eerily realistic fake meat products and his vision for a more environmentally sustainable food system.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/10/2019 • 41 minutes 48 seconds

Since the start of the pandemic, usage of apps like BetterHelp and Talkspace has skyrocketed. These apps might make mental health care more accessible, but are the products they sell really the same as therapy?Guest:Molly Fischer, features writer for the Cut at New York MagazineHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/09/2021 • 26 minutes 28 seconds

Second Sight restored partial vision to hundreds of patients around the world through retinal implants. Then, on the verge of bankruptcy, they abandoned the project. Now, over 300 patients with Second Sight technology in their bodies are asking: what will happen to us?Guest: Eliza Strickland, senior editor at IEEE SpectrumHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/06/2022 • 23 minutes 55 seconds

On today’s show, hosts April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss a rather terrifying security flaw from Apple, a company that prides itself on keeping information well-protected. A bug was found in the video chat app Facetime that let snoops listen in on someone by calling them on FaceTime, even if the call wasn’t answered. Then, the hosts are joined by Franklin Foer, a staff writer for the Atlantic, former editor in chief of The New Republic, and author of a book about what he calls “the existential threat of big tech.” They talk to him about the recent wave of layoffs in the media—including big cuts at BuzzFeed, HuffPost, and Gannett newspapers— and how those tie into the dominance of companies like Google and Facebook over the way we get information now. Don’t Close My Tabs:April: Pandora’s New Corporate Parents Gave Millions to Trump, GOPWill: Wired: Is Big Tech Merging with Big Brother? Kinda Looks Like It.Podcast production by Max JacobsYou can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play. This episode is brought to you by Warby Parker. Try their home try-on program for free today at warbyparker.com/ifthen.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/30/2019 • 36 minutes 20 seconds

This week, the FTC and more than 40 state attorneys general brought antitrust lawsuits against Facebook. And they’re not pulling their punches. They are calling for Facebook to spin off Instagram and WhatsApp into independent companies. In other words, breakup.The lawsuits represent some of the most significant antitrust action in the United States in the last 40 years. Will they get results?Guest:Tony Romm, tech policy reporter at the Washington PostHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/11/2020 • 24 minutes 16 seconds

Around the country, states are employing algorithms to help reduce prison populations and predict recidivism. This week, we hear from a Wisconsin judge with serious reservations about the algorithm used in his state. Also: a deep dive into Virginia's risk-assessment algorithm and the surprising results of its implementation.Guests: Nicholas McNamara, judge on the circuit court of Dane County, Wisconsin.Jennifer Doleac, associate professor of economics at Texas A&M and director of the Justice Tech Lab.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/03/2020 • 20 minutes 20 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus talk about a somewhat surprising speech from the antitrust chief of Trump’s DOJ. They bring you up to date on a big new data privacy bill in Congress, and Mike Nuñez, a journalist for Mashable, joins the show to discuss how his reporting on alleged liberal bias at Facebook has sparked a somewhat bizarre Congressional inquiry.The hosts are also joined by Dr. Mary Anne Franks, a professor of law at the University of Miami Law School, where she teaches criminal law, First Amendment law, and Technology policy. They speak about the massively important Communications Decency Act, which was just amended to allow victims of sex trafficking to sue websites that knowingly facilitate it.And as always, “Don’t Close My Tabs,” the Sean Hannity/Jeff Bezos edition.Timestamps:1:40 DOJ Antitrust Speech6:15 New data privacy bill11:13 Diamond and Silk on Capitol Hill: phone call with Mashable’s Michael Nuñez20:55 Zillow clarification regarding last week’s show22:14 Interview: Professor Mary Anne Franks on amending the CDA to fight sex trafficking44: 08 Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs Links:KQED: How Sean Hannity Began His Path to Punditry on Santa Barbara Community RadioWashingtonian: Here Are the Floor Plans for Jeff Bezos’s $23 Million DC HomePodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/25/2018 • 52 minutes 5 seconds

Last week, a hacker group called DarkSide shut down the Colonial Pipeline, which supplies 45 percent of the fuel consumed on the East Coast. Gas prices skyrocketed, people started hoarding gas, and DarkSide walked away with over $4 million in Bitcoin. How did they do it? And what makes this hack different from those we’ve seen before?Guest: David Uberti, cybersecurity reporter at the Wall Street JournalHostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

05/21/2021 • 26 minutes 7 seconds

April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss a recent report in Bloomberg that says executives at YouTube ignored employees who raised concerns about the spread of harmful videos. The company’s algorithm often recommends conspiracy videos, which lead viewers down rabbit holes they might not otherwise explore.Then journalism professor Emily Bell talks about Google and Facebook’s recent efforts to revive the local news industry. Since the tech giants are partially complicit in harming local news in the first place, Bell says it’s akin to asking a bull that broke everything in a China shop to come back and piece things back together.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/03/2019 • 41 minutes 38 seconds

Researchers have untangled a world of illicit trade that threatens ecosystems and endangers species.Guest: Dr. Alice Hughes, Richard StewartHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/31/2022 • 22 minutes 40 seconds

A father took a photo of his son for their doctor. He wound up being investigated by the police.Guest: Kashmir HillHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/02/2022 • 28 minutes 58 seconds

Last week, California's Department of Fair Employment and Housing sued Tesla. It accuses the electric vehicle maker of fostering a workplace rife with racism and discrimination.What's happening inside Tesla's Fremont plant?Guest: Dana Hull, reporter for BloombergHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/18/2022 • 23 minutes 4 seconds

Last fall it seemed like everyone got sick—not just with COVID, but from a slew of respiratory diseases, from the mild to the severe. Researchers are trying to untangle how our immune systems have changed in the COVID era, and if we’re paying back an “immunity debt” or are victims of “immunity theft.”Guest: Tim Requarth, contributing writer to Slate.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/03/2023 • 31 minutes 48 seconds

In this episode, Shannon Palus talks about the journalistic ethics of Amazon affiliate links with Jacqui Cheng, former Editor-in-Chief of Wirecutter and current Editor-in-Chief of Music at WQXR in New York. As Cheng explains, it’s possible for news organizations to make money from Amazon links without turning into a shill for a giant company. After the interview, Shannon talks to Aaron Mak for this week’s edition of Don’t Close My tabs.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/17/2019 • 28 minutes 8 seconds

Artificial intelligence is growing in leaps and bounds, and everywhere from Big Tech companies like Google to small teams like OpenAI are developing more and more convincing chatbots. Is the world ready for convincing, talking computers?Guest: Alex Kantrowitz, host of the Big Technology podcast.Host: Emily PeckIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/09/2022 • 34 minutes 23 seconds

This week, Amnesty International and a French journalism nonprofit named Forbidden Stories revealed that technology from a spyware firm called NSO Group is being deployed on a massive scale. The spyware, called Pegasus, gives the user access to every part of a victim’s smartphone -- notes, messages, photos, and recordings.What’s it like for security researchers to see their worst fears about digital spying play out? And what are they worried about next?Guests:John Scott Railton, Senior Researcher at the Citizen Lab at the University of TorontoSiddharth Varadarajan, Founding Editor of the WireLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

07/23/2021 • 32 minutes 45 seconds

In just two years, the mental-health startup Cerebral has grown to operate in 50 states, registered more than 200,000 patients, and reached a $4.8 billion valuation. Has it prioritized growth over patient care?Guest: Caleb MelbyHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/20/2022 • 19 minutes 41 seconds

Since 2018, internal research teams at Facebook have been studying the effect on Instagram on mental health. Their results couldn’t be more clear: Instagram is causing problems, especially for teen girls.Why has it taken so long for their research to surface? And what can be done to improve the relationship between kids and the platform?Guest: Georgia Wells, tech reporter at the Wall Street Journal.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/01/2021 • 25 minutes 24 seconds

To most of its 150 million American consumers, TikTok is a fun app. To some creators, TikTok is a job and their platform. But to members of the US government, TikTok is a national security risk. As the fight over TikTok’s future comes to Capitol Hill this week, what’s next for the embattled social media platform?Guest: Emily Baker-White, senior writer, tech reporter at ForbesHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/24/2023 • 38 minutes 39 seconds

Going off-grid can seem appealing in lots of ways. But are there consequences if everyone unplugs from the system? Are there costs we haven’t considered?Guest: Ivan Penn, renewable energy correspondent for the New York TimesHost: Seth StevensonLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/27/2022 • 22 minutes 24 seconds

As the planet warms in the coming decades, many parts of the planet that millions now call home will become uninhabitable. At first, people in these areas will move to the cities, then across international borders. This mass migration is already underway in the hottest parts of the world, and it is likely to accelerate in coming years.Just how many people will be forced to move? And where will they go?Guest: Abrahm Lustgarten, senior reporter at ProPublicaHostCeleste HeadleeLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

09/11/2020 • 21 minutes 28 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus try to make sense of Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey’s rare honest assessment of his company’s shortfalls, and what new state regulations mean for self-driving cars and trucks. Cody Wilson, the man behind the first 3D printed gun, joins the hosts to talk about his vision of a “Wikileaks for guns” and why he thinks gun control is no longer possible. And, as always, Don’t Close My Tabs: this week Will looks at the “deepfakes” video phenomenon and April discusses former Trump aide Sam Nunberg’s email inbox exhaustion.Don’t Close My Tabs:Twitter: Sam Nunberg on CNN with Jake TapperNew York Times: Here Comes the Fake Videos, TooPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Please fill out the Slate podcast survey at slate.com/podcastsurveyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/07/2018 • 48 minutes 38 seconds

On Tuesday, Google founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page announced that they are stepping down from their respective roles as president and CEO of Alphabet, Google’s parent company. The move will leave Sundar Pichai in charge of both Google and Alphabet.With pressure mounting from unhappy employees, antitrust regulators in Europe, and the Trump administration, Pichai takes the helm at a crucial moment in the company’s history. Will he be up to the task?Guest:Mark Bergen, technology reporter at BloombergLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/06/2019 • 19 minutes 50 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss the horrifying story that’s on everyone’s minds this week: the Trump Administration’s policy of separating immigrant families crossing the US Mexico border. They focus on how tech’s big players -- some of the most powerful companies in the world -- are responding to the policy and what we should expect from those companies and their leaders in the face of a humanitarian emergency.The hosts also discuss the fallout from AT&T’s merger with Time Warner. Both Disney and now Comcast want to buy Rupert Murdoch’s 21st Century Fox. And as always - Don’t Close My Tabs - some of the most interesting stories from the web this week.A quick update to Will’s tab, in which he discussed Verizon’s announcement that it would stop sharing customers’ real-time location data with third parties: As of Wednesday, the other three major carriers have all announced that they will do the same.Don’t Close My TabsThe New Yorker: The Government Has No Plan For Reuniting The Immigrant Families It Is Tearing ApartThe Verge: Verizon Will Stop Sell Real-Time Location Data to Third-Party BrokersPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

06/20/2018 • 29 minutes 33 seconds

The option to “buy now and pay later” over installments exploded over the past two years, thanks to people being flush with stimulus cash and shopping online during the pandemic. But is this new, underregulated industry a useful line of credit or another path into debt?Guest: Paulina Cachero, personal finance reporter for Bloomberg.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

11/27/2022 • 34 minutes 43 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss the continuing saga that is Facebook’s effort to fix itself--ideally, without breaking everything else. On Friday, the company finally released more information about the huge hack that it announced last month, which affected nearly 30 million people. They’ll talk about what was stolen, and why it matters. Then, April and Will are joined by Senator Mark Warner, from Virginia, the top democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, conducting its investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election. This summer he released a policy paper proposing possible regulations for U.S. social media and technology companies. They talk to him about what worries him most about the largely unregulated tech industry that can’t seem to keep our data private and stop muddying our elections. They also ask him what he thinks congress can do to rein these companies in and why lawmakers haven’t been quick to act. 10:44 - Interview with Senator Mark Warner31:40 - Don’t Close My TabsDon’t Close My Tabs: The New Yorker: The Growth of Sinclair’s Conservative Media EmpireNew York Magazine: Here Is a List of Every Animal Humans Currently Monitor Using Facial Recognition TechnologyPodcast production by Max JacobsIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Listen to If Then via Apple Podcasts, Overcast, Spotify, Stitcher, or Google Play.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

10/17/2018 • 41 minutes

New understandings of how our brains develop are changing how the law considers who is mature and who isn’t. But If our brains are still developing, when can the law treat us like adults?Guest: Jane C. Hu, independent science journalist.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

02/26/2023 • 27 minutes 12 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Will Oremus and April Glaser discuss why a bunch of the big tech platforms—Facebook, YouTube, Apple—are suddenly banning the far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his media empire Infowars. They also talk about the latest Wells Fargo foreclosure scandal where a computer glitch led to hundreds of wrongful foreclosures. The hosts are then joined by William Sommer, tech reporter with the Daily Beast who follows QAnon and other right-wing conspiracy theories closely. He’ll help us understand how this fringe thinking tumbled into mainstream attention. The interview with Will Sommer starts at 17:54. Don’t Close My Tabs: New York Times: Phone Calls From New York City Jails Will Soon Be FreeNew York Times: Losing Earth: The Decade We Almost Stopped Climate ChangeIf Then plugs: You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com. If Then is presented by Slateand Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

08/08/2018 • 45 minutes 57 seconds

The federal Lifeline program was intended to bridge the gap between Americans who could comfortably pay for phone and internet service, and those who couldn’t. But in the midst of the pandemic, Lifeline is falling woefully short.How did a program meant to help connect low-income Americans with phone and internet service ended up making them second-class digital citizens at the worst possible moment?Guest:Tony Romm, senior tech policy reporter at the Washington Post, author of“How the Federal Lifeline Program Failed Amid the Coronavirus Pandemic”HostLizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/05/2021 • 24 minutes 48 seconds

Up against one of the world's most effective propaganda operations, Ukraine has taken control of the online narrative. With Russian troops closing in, how important is winning the information war?Guest: Casey Newton, writer at PlatformerHost: Lizzie O'LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

03/04/2022 • 23 minutes 3 seconds

On this week’s If Then, Slate’s April Glaser and Will Oremus discuss the outrage at the largest television station owner in the country—Sinclair Broadcasting—after the media conglomerate forced its local news anchors read a script that echoes Trumpian talking points. They also unpack Trump’s beef about Jeff Bezos owning what he calls #AmazonWashingtonPost. Meanwhile, music streaming site Spotify went public this week in a totally new kind of way. The hosts take a look at its unorthodox move, and what it means for the company’s future.Will is joined by Al Lindsay, vice president of Alexa Engine Software at Amazon to talk about how exactly Alexa works, what privacy concerns it raises, and why it started scaring the bejesus out of people a few weeks ago by emitting peals of creepy laughter for no apparent reason.Don’t Close My Tabs:The New York Times: ‘I Can’t Stop”: Schools Struggle With Vaping ExplosionBuzzFeed:Growth At Any Cost: Top Facebook Executive Defended Data Collection In 2016 Memo - And Warned That Facebook Could Get People KilledPodcast production by Max Jacobs.If Then plugs:You can get updates about what’s coming up next by following us on Twitter @ifthenpod. You can follow Will @WillOremus and April @Aprilaser. If you have a question or comment, you can email us at ifthen@slate.com.If Then is presented by Slate and Future Tense, a collaboration among Arizona State University, New America, and Slate. Future Tense explores the ways emerging technologies affect society, policy, and culture. To read more, follow us on Twitter and sign up for our weekly newsletter.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/04/2018 • 43 minutes 15 seconds

Even in a crazy year for crypto, Sam Bankman-Fried’s story is undeniably the most bananas. And even in the context of the implosion of FTX, getting arrested has got to make this week his worst yet. What charges does SBF face?Guest: Stacy-Marie Ishmael, managing editor on crypto for Bloomberg NewsHost: Lizzie O’LearySponsored by Saks.com. Check out the Holiday Gift Guide onsaks.comLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/16/2022 • 40 minutes 26 seconds

The Food and Drug Administration gave an important thumbs up to lab-grown chicken, which means we could start seeing it in stores as soon as next year. While billions of dollars have been spent developing lab-grown meat, important questions remain: Is the production of it actually greener than raising livestock? Can it be made affordably? Is it healthy? And will anyone eat it?Guest: Chloe Sorvino, staff writer on food and agriculture at Forbes, and the author of Raw Deal: Hidden Corruption, Corporate Greed and the Fight for the Future of Meat.Host: Lizzie O’LearyLearn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/18/2022 • 34 minutes 9 seconds

Today on What Next TBD: What is going on with little kids' vaccines? Why don’t they seem to be a priority for the government or the pharmaceutical companies, while parents are stressed to a breaking point? We discuss with Meg Tirrell, health and science correspondent for CNBC, and co-host of the Readout Loud podcast.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

01/14/2022 • 22 minutes 56 seconds

Self-driving cars and robotaxis are starting to appear on the streets of San Francisco. While we have a whole regulatory system in place for drivers, who’s making sure these new cars are safe?Guest: David Zipper, Visiting Fellow at the Harvard Kennedy School's Taubman Center for State and Local GovernmentHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

12/11/2022 • 31 minutes 51 seconds

Discord is a place to share a community online. Most often, it's for gaming. So why did classified intelligence from the Pentagon end up on a small server whose main interests seem to be video games, military equipment and memes? And how?Guest: Shane Harris, intelligence and national security reporter for the Washington Post.Host: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/14/2023 • 33 minutes 28 seconds

A new law in Utah that goes into effect next year states that anyone under 18 needs parental permission to use social media. Is it a necessary step to protect children from harms associated with social media, or are we blunting a tool of expression for the youth?Guest: Dr. Mitch Prinstein, chief science officer at American Psychological AssociationHost: Lizzie O’LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/16/2023 • 32 minutes 58 seconds

Weather apps can be frustrating. And with how much we rely on them to know if we should wear pants or shorts, they'll still leave you in the rain. But as the climate gets wilder, the questions of how to tell people what they need to know—and quickly—can be an issue of life or death.Guest: Charlie Warzel, staff writer at the AtlanticDaniel Swain, UCLA climate scientistHost: Lizzie O'LearyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/23/2023 • 24 minutes 22 seconds

Reddit announced it will start charging companies to use its huge, ever-growing trove of text to train A.I. chatbots. It’s another expense for the fledgling tech and another knock against the “open internet” ideals that Reddit once embodied.Guest: Mike Isaac, tech reporter for the New York Times.If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/21/2023 • 25 minutes 27 seconds

Twitter’s “blue check” verification went from something you applied for, to something you could pay for, to something you had to pay for…to something that many celebrities wouldn’t even accept for free. Master of horror Stephen King told us he wouldn’t pay for a blue check, but he’s not going to fight it either—he just doesn’t really understand what’s going on. Does anyone at Twitter understand?Guests:Alex Heath, deputy editor of The VergeJon Favreau, co-founder of Crooked Media, speechwriter for President Barack ObamaStephen King, authorIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/28/2023 • 33 minutes 6 seconds

Two gig workers standing side-by-side can be offered the very same job and get offered two different wages. Set by an algorithm and based on calculations that are never explained to the workers themselves, this unequal pay for equal work is already subject to lawsuits that call it a form of price fixing and wage discrimination, but the tech is being tested in other industries.Guests: Veena Dubal, law professor at the University of California College of the Law, San FranciscoSergio Avedian, senior contributor at The Rideshare GuyIf you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next TBD. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work.Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

04/30/2023 • 24 minutes 33 seconds